Climate change protest

The problem was that some farm organisation decided that the majority of farmers on lower payments were not entitled to fight there corner within the organisation

No what IFA did was decide that nobody in the organisation with lower payments was entitled to fight to get there payments risen.

The upward only convergence was seen as what it was an attempt to preserve the status quo. There bullsh!t that the budget would increase so that farmers with lower payments would be increased to even the average was not just flawed it was an contemptible attempt to hide the reality and stifle debate.

This was exactly the same as Pat Smith a paid official not an elected one threatening west of Ireland elected officers with regionalisation. I am not just a trader I also improve the product. I am definately not a dealer who only resells the same product. As I said I will lose out on convergence this time as well however I will understand the system needs to be equitable.

The truth is you statement above is deeply flawed. The winners this time will be those small drystock producers accross the country. In general dairy farmers have higher entitlements than drystock men.

In general finishers have higher payments than producers. So this is a redirecting if payment to drystock.producers whether they are suckler farmers, calf and weanling to store men.

It interesting that both the FJ and the FI are both more and more taking Ng notice of the other farm organisations and publicising there viewpoints as they know where this is going

Ya something for everyone in the audience. Most of it to be handed back to Larry with extra production and squeezing most if the kill into the autumn/winter period when cattle are 20-26 months of age. The feed merchants are running there hands in glee as well. Lads pumping ration into cattle to finish early will swallow most of that 100 euro.

I was at a green acres farm walk during the summer. It was a calf to beef and he had about 50% Friesian calves. The HE and AA bullocks were sold as stores, The heifers fattened and killed at 18 months.

Some Friesians were killed off grass at 22 months at 280 kgs grades were mainly O-, then more were killed out of the shed in February. Anything else was carried to grass, but they killed them.in May which I taught was crazy, it was most P grade, slaughter weight were only about 315kgs average and they only came into about 1100euro. If they got another 60 days at grass it would only have cost 30-40 euro and they kill 350/360DW and made 1350 euro.

The farm was heavily stocked at 160kg organic N/HA. The advisor was sending him out with 25 unit's of N after every grazing.

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Maybe, i dont mind buying my own food but i am sick of farmers destroying wildlife habitats

We could do with a few more like Laoismanj's to liven up the discussions. Thanks for your comments Laoismanj I'd say you brought a smile to a lot of us on here.

Could we get a drop of water to mix the tanks with 💩💩💩

Jaysus, I saw the title of this thread and thought that Greta was coming to town and the tractor lads were heading up to support her :)

@laoismanj yer letting the county down. I wonder do ya live near me. I'd a cranky auld fart out to me one time about spreading slurry near his home. Was sent on his way fairly sharpish. The bit by his house grew great grass that year too and the soil indexes shot up in around that area. Maybe that's why he didn't want me spreading there cos the soil was in great nick.

In other news, how many of ye heading to the tractor protest? They be better holding off rolling in with machines until the hauliers get on board and join the tractors with the trucks.

Most here are agnostic on this protest. I cannot understand why anyone thinks we should get involved in the truckers protest.

The truckers are protesting about the price of fuel. High fuel prices are the friend of most Irish farmers it makes feedlot beef and milk more expensive.

While carbon taxes have increased fuel prices the main contributor is the rise in the price of oil. This is something the government have no control over.

Near me there are a couple of hauliers, in the last ten years both have expanded significantly. One went from about ten to thirty trucks...and his son has started another company with 2-3 trucks at present.

Hauliers issue is that logistics companies will not rise freight rates. That is a competition issue, in that as long as hauliers are willing to haul at present rates then rates will not rise.

I expect that a good few are caught with repayments and cannot park up units to force rates to increase. There is an element of expecting other to reduce there activity as well. If larger operations parked 10% of units then you would see rates increase but as long as you work for nothing there is someone willing to profit from your labour.

Yeah it's pretty misleading in fairness. Probably because the op dosent even know what they're protesting for. Maybe the thread title should change to "IFA Big Farmer protest"