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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    That's your opinionated your right to have such an opinion


    Not everyone is in a position to stay home waiting days for test results


    And then you have people like me with the likes of sinus infections which can have lingering symptoms for weeks

    My negative PCR was reassuring but I've used antigens regularly since tbh while I recover from my infection


    Knowing I regularly get sinus issued my doctor suggested a test after I had booked one, and that was fine with me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭Pepsirebel


    There could be something in that. I had a very bad rhinovirus infection on October bank holiday weekend 2020. Hospitalised for 4 days, that came after pneumonia, hospitalised for 5 days back on paddy's weekend 2020. Sick (pun intended) of hospitals!!! I'm an asthmatic so would be in the vulnerable but not severe category. I have had both shots of vaccine and haven't had so much of a sniffle since October 2020. Could be a fluke who knows


    Edit: just to add I'm usually healthy enough & last visit to hospital was when I was a kid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,996 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Their cases and hospital numbers are pretty much the same as ours. Yet they've been fully open for months . No talk of further restrictions either as their cases have levelled off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    We never were catching every case. That was always impossible with asymptomatic transmission.

    Antigen tests miss a lot of cases with who are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic due to not being able to detect low viral loads. They can even miss symptomatic cases.

    You need to have a very high viral load to get a positive antigen result.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,304 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Don't post lies and speculation, don't get called out......

    How many pubs did you have to search before you found one with a negative twist?



  • Posts: 895 [Deleted User]


    Tony advocating for indefinite masks and social distancing is just another conspiracy theory proven true.

    Continued social distancing is incompatible with life itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    But should or should not doesn't matter to a large number of people at this stage. Getting tested is a pain in the hole. I've had over 60 PCR tests since this began. And not one positive result. People get fatigued and the effect it can have is like the boy who cried wolf. So when they don't feel that ill and it's the equivalent to a head cold. Of course people will take the easier option of testing at home. People are just tired of the whole thing. Like will we still be here in December 2022 or in 2023 asking people to go for PCR tests a when they have cold like symptoms. Covid does not look to be going anywhere.

    I reckon a lot of people's circles are mixing with other vaccinated people given the high percentage achieved. I know among my group of friends and family, there isn't much care given about mixing as everyone is vaccinated. The same level of risk evaluation that existed before vaccines is not there for a large cohort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭jams100


    My takeaway from the last few days from talking to people is what is the point in the vaccine? (Now, I and probably the majority know the benefit of the vaccines re severe illness, but this whole lockdown approach does undermine peoples opinion of the vaccine).

    Are lockdowns now just the tool to "protect" our hospitals, completely unsustainable in the long term.

    Billions put into the health system and no tangible improvements, the HSE just seems like a black hole for money, like most government departments, no accountability.

    Seems the Irish media love to publish Covid headlines on a daily basis (I guess it get the "clicks"). If you look at the UK, the major headline everyday isn't just Covid (BBC / SkyNews) as an example, granted you will find a covid story on those sites but not the main headline, everyday of the week.

    We seem to have more of an obsession with covid in this country than others



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    If antigen testing picks up even 20% of cases where people use them instead of a PCR thinking they don't have Covid that's a good thing imo


    The WHO have recommended them for ages and now NPHET do too.


    I personally know of five different people who used them preemptively and were positive. Then got positive PCRs, all asymptomatic as well.

    They have a place in the toolkit



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    There's a bit of science behind it and some studies done if you were interested in reading more. I had a quick search on Google. Rhinovirus and influenza like being the only games in town. And if you have them. You are not likely to also get a covid infection. One example I read was about a bad rhinovirus dose going around Europe which prevented swine flu from taking foot.

    Maybe there's a way to stop it. We all go out and get colds and it won't be able to spread :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 633 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    Jaysus, you follow this thread & ye all want Holahan, Nolan & Donnelly burnt at the stake.

    Yet the online poll on the Journal 63% of the population agree with the new restrictions with a majority wanting them to go further.


    poll.PNG

    Deary me, you haven't created an echo chamber in here have you ?

    Where are the vocal majority gone ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Where'd they go?


    Gone livin their truth and best lives!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    As that was my example. I can tell you what would have happened if they all got negative antigen results. None of them would have got PCR tests. Which is the same outcome had they never done an antigen test in the first place.

    Can use hypotheticals all we want. But in this case, antigen testing resulted in 14 PCR tests and 13 positives. Surely that is helping overall. Of course they're not ideal. Or equivalent to PCR. But they will help people who may otherwise have slipped through the cracks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,063 ✭✭✭✭fits




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    Yeah, it's actually mental. 2021 was a lot worse with restrictions than 2020. As far as I can see, we have gotten worse. It's not inconceivable that they will try to keep some sort of restrictions past the winter at the rate their hard on for power persists. Absolute insanity and hysteria to the max.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,183 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    As I said my issue isn’t the lockdowns(Although I’d wish they we didn’t need them) it’s the way this government seem to stumble into them and since the first lockdown have shown an inability to get out of them in anything resembling a timely manner like other countries seem to have done. I mean Stephen Donnelly this morning was a mess and he as minister for health during a pandemic should be someone who helps to get us thorough it and he failed this morning. Word salad and buzzwords don’t help. He seemed completely caught off guard on what should be simple questions for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,163 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Its looking more and more like the right thing to do. Hospitalisations aren't astronomical, deaths are comparable to what we have in general now.


    The problem is this level of hospitalisations - steady state if you like with a completely open economy - is fine for the NHS (just about) but is way too high for the HSE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Ah_well.


    The journal ? God I’m stunned at such a poll result on the journal . What a shocker . The journal has been so anti restrictions all the way through right? Perhaps a bit of an echo chamber itself one might suggest ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    Yeah, exactly. The Journal comments are typically a top comment to do with holding firm or blaming pubs or some other BS with an occasional comment going against it and then the neckbearded/mask wearing selfie mob start insulting the dissenting voice.

    In any event, there is no transparency whatsoever in the poll.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭berocca2016


    To be fair most people who frequent the journal are absolute whinge bags who are scared of their own shadow.

    I would in no way consider one of their polls statistically valid !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    What are the death rates in each since their opening?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    I’m guessing you’re part of the 63% who want further restrictions? Right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,163 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I don't have figures to hand but in the earlier parts the UK was certainly much worse than us for deaths. Since their reopening, things have been comparable. Multiply our deaths, hospitalisations and cases by about 13 to take account of the population (roughly).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Ah_well.


    I wouldn't pay the slightest bit of attention to those polls . Vast majority of society would never bother their arse with a poll. Having said that I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority want harsher restrictions. The media blitz and culture of fear in this country surrounding covid can’t help but infiltrate the minds of most . It’s funny though. When the uk was struggling so badly it was constantly in the media here but now they are holding steady and living life completely unrestricted you’d swear the uk didn’t exist. Not a mention of it. Does Irish society realise england is living life unrestricted? We appear to be doing the ostrich routine on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    For deaths in last week I'm seeing 43 for ireland.

    1194 for a week in UK.

    So 43 x 13 equals 559

    What am I doing wrong?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    Sickening to see the thousands of people slung onto the dole over this now. Shame on this government and anyone who supports the current rollback. Cowards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,302 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Numbers are not too bad really Wolfey when you compare them by population

    cases - 38,263 IRE - 3,633 x 13.6 = 49,409

    People in hospital - 8,705 IRE - 634 x 13.6 = 8622

    ICU - 938 IRE 119 x 13.6 = 1618

    Got to think that with them being 8-10 weeks ahead with this Delta thing that the last thing anyone following them needs to see now is things going up a lot soon, especially when they have just handed out those 13.5 million boosters as well. Hopefully the mortality rates follow soon shortly and all those people under restrictions elsewhere get to see a flickering light at the end of tunnel.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,444 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    So if we opened in summer with less vaccinated we woudkn't certainly not be better off. More likely worse off.

    Their cases have not levelled off, I'm not sure where you are seeing this.

    No talk of further restrictions apart from NI/Scotland/Wales all introducing covid certs after their 'freedom day'.

    In Ireland, people would scream it's a new restriction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    The Journal is the biggest echo chamber in Ireland. It bans people with an opinion that doesn't suit their very liberal left leaning narrative. You've lost the argument if you are putting any faith in any if their polls.



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