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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    I think people are more frustrated by the fact that the vaccines were incentivised on the basis of getting back freedoms, and now the government is rowing back on that so soon. I know a lot of people are coming across as now believing that the vaccines weren’t worth a damn from a medical standpoint, but I think for most people it’s a question of “what was the point if the vaccines don’t give the government the leeway to give us back our enjoyment of life?”. People are concerned that more restrictions are on the way and your post itself actually sums up the cynicism many are feeling — the new restrictions won’t achieve much — so the inevitable conclusion seems to be that the government will continue turning the screw until there is a visible difference. Because they desperately need to demonstrate that it’s all worth it in the end.

    Like there is only so long you can wave this “isn’t it enough that we are saving lives?” at people before the message gets lost in a mass of people starting to question the extent to which we should restrict life to preserve life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭History Queen


    That won't happen. Even in the case where the situation deteriorates to that level there are lots of mitigations that could be put in place before they would need to close schools. I don't see schools ever closing again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Of course they don't want them to be free because then cases would skyrocket. They must be the only Government on the planet that do not want to find positive cases for some bizzare reason.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    I wouldn't be a bit confident that there'll be much of an improvement due to yesterday's developments.

    I would say most office workers are at home for much of the week already, so moving to remote work isn't as big a move as it once was. Closing pubs at 12 is unlikely to help much either, people can go out earlier or have house parties.

    Unfortunately I think there is a need for at least a short lockdown, including closing schools again. I doubt there's the political will for it though.

    The communication by NPHET and Government over the last ten days has been very poor, practically incoherent. Advising people to socialise half as much was completely farcical, for some people that'd mean going to night clubs twice a week instead of four times and for others it'd mean going to mass every second week.


    Between that and claiming that schools are quite safe, the State are losing the support of the public, which had been very strong. People are being treated like they're quite stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Donnelly definitely doesn't know what he's talking about. By all accounts he doesn't read the reports he's given, he just goes on air and wings it.

    That being said - and don't take this to be in any way a defence of Donnelly - the difference between 150 (or 200) in ICU in January and now, is the growth rate. When we hit 220 in ICU in January, it was crossed fingers time. That number could have been 300 inside of a week, 400 in ten days. ICU numbers went from 25 to 210 in four weeks, straight up with no pauses. We've gone from 74 to 114 in four weeks with lots of ups and downs.

    So now, 200 in ICU is not great, it means our permanent ICU capacity is 66% full dealing just with Covid. But we also know that increases would remain slow and drippy rather than running out of control.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    What lockdown is that Micky? Because you have constantly said there will not be another lockdown and called people hysterical and whiners for suggesting there would be. "Lockdown merchants", isn't that what you called them?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    All pandemics end. This one will too. I know it can be hard to be hopeful after several false dawns but I do think this winter will be the last big hurdle. Not gonna lie though it will be a bit of a shitshow at times between now and next spring so look after yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    With the hysteria at the moment, anything can happen.

    Irish people's instincts is to be conservative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    You really should take a chill pill. It’s not good for your health. But anyway i was giving what if scenario’s. I didn’t say that there’s going to be a lockdown. I definitely won’t be in one anyway, and that is for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    With a reminder that this is a government that explicitly stated that we were staying in Europes longest lockdown so that when they did finally reopen that they would never have to row back on it.

    The old lockdown to avoid lockdown strategy that worked so well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Claire Byrne keeping her language calm and measured as per usual on the radio.

    Great stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭Láidir agus Dílis




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Journal Poll

    Do you agree with the Covid-19 measures announced yesterday?


    We should go further (1073) 44%

    No, it's too much (751) 30%

    Yes, it's just the right amount (456) 18%

    I'm not sure (155)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭Duggie2012


    I agree with this. I feel if we can get into next year with boosters etc we should see a better outcome. God people are unbelievable though. Ohhh the government told me the vaccine would work. Like children some people. Do people need to be led by the hand 24/7. Were adults. The vaccines do work but they were never going to eliminate it straight away. We will probably need 1 or 2 jabs a year to keep this at bay until hopefully it eventually fades out. Its spreading because in the main people are going out and doing what they feel like. Well guess what that's not possible right now. Its not possible without consequences anyway. Some people all they do is moan and moan. here is an idea maybe try and change your behaviour and we might be in a better position. Children a lot of people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    44% of the Journal readers, who tend to be younger, want more restrictions.

    Imagine being so young and being that conservative?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    On days like today it is important to remember that this nightmare is not permanent. Booster shots, the Merck/Pfizer antivirals and (to a lesser extent) vitamin D will bring us to the other side of this, probably by 2023 or if we are lucky, maybe 2022. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, no matter how distant it is from today.

    Persevere, act with diligence, take each day one at a time. We’ll get through this in time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I think we should go Ivan Drago on it at this stage , " if he dies, he dies "

    Time for people to get on with there lives & as nature intended the weak will die & the strong will survive , I say that with parent's & family who are old & compromised , I can't expect the rest of this countries people to give up there life's for me & mine ,



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Younger? Have you ever read the comment section on there? It's a who's who of angry middle aged gammon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Perhaps the older gen were up early voting!

    I dunno, I was surprised too. Maybe the dont go far enough as in the restrictions they set are useless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    You say do people need to be led by the hand 24/7 ???

    No they don't so u should be incharge of your own health & if you feel your not healthy enough then go ahead an isolate & let the other get on with there life's or do you WANT us to be led by the hand 24/7

    Can you imagine people going out & socializing the absolute cheek of them ,

    Think of what your saying they shouldn't go to places or else we won't be able to go to places ,

    Maybe change your own behaviour if your worried & let others worry about themselves , Children a lot of people ,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    I see the shining light in the fight against the virus Israel, now saying it won’t achieve the mystical herd immunity unless they vaccinate the children

    and so it begins..

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    True to an extent but people largely get their information from those messages and got vaccinated in huge numbers. Nine months on that message looks premature and the spectre of restrictions returning is very frustrating to many. The knock-on effect of that is more resistance to boosters. It doesn't help that the messaging is now all over the place, which weakens any force it might have. I'd rather they stopped this not ruling things out nonsense and produced a list of areas that might be affected if we have to go further.

    Calling people names or sneering at them tends not to be an effective strategy for anything!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,416 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    There's been no data from a properly run trial that shows Ivermectin to have any effect. If you can convince a few investors to run a trial in Ireland, you can manufacture it generically and make a killing.

    Bar the government shouting "be more healthy" what do we expect to happen there in the relatively short timeframe of a pandemic (vs. the time it would take to improve health and wellbeing of the population so they're less vulnerable to COVID, understanding that "don't be old" won't be effective). There is already high taxes on alcohol and cigarettes and a sugar tax, do you want to make them more costly or ban them entirely?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Oh, ok. When you were calling people lockdown merchants, the lockdown brigade, saying that people wanted lockdowns because they were whiners and hysterical, that was all just what if scenarios. Got it.

    I only mention it because memory seems to be a problem in these threads. People get things badly wrong but instead of learning from it, when the next development comes along they ignore the past and act exactly the same. Like sneering at people who suggested lockdowns are a possibility while living in a country where in actual fact, lockdowns are a very real possibility.

    No matter, I hope you enjoy your new life in the USA, it is after all the land of opportunity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I have an idea.

    Stop shutting down gyms. Let people run in parks. Don't stop children playing team sports.

    Its crazy I know, but if it is healthier people that we want then maybe its worth a try.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭bloopy


    44% of journal readers who always seem a bit mad for the auld restrictions ( if the comment section is anything to go by).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    It hilarious to suggest that any newspaper reader can be considered "young", even if its the online version.

    Believe me, the kids aren't reading the Journal in 2021.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    These comments and the language throughout this is unsettling

    Your addressing people here who have endured the globes longest lockdowns since March 2020

    Of course the irony is that the number 1 risk factor for severe illness from Covid is obesity, an illness caused by lifestyle choices



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Ya, if you're pro restrictions, going further makes sense as what was announced yesterday does nothing. I'd be more questioning the 18% who seem to think yesterday was fine. It should have been nothing or more. Half assing definitely won't work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    I forgot to add to my earlier message about yesterday's measures, nothing said about ventilation.


    Have we lost the messaging about ventilation?

    In the past week I've seen buses pass me by and windows closed, taxis pass me by with passengers masked up and windows closed. An ambulance passed me yesterday and two drivers both masked up and windows closed. Was in a small chemist and door completely shut as well and it could have been easily propped open to let fresh air in.



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