This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

embraer170 · 29-06-2021 11:15PM

unkel wrote: »

We've given that a lot of thought and decided not to.

The main drawback of course is that they will only ever be able to drive automatics. But all cars will be automatic in the next few years anyway and you can already buy cheap electric (=automatic) second hand cars, so it won't be an issue for the kids buying their first cars

Not all countries continue to make a difference between a manual and automatic. Switzerland has been allowing people with an automatic limited license to drive manual cars since 2019. There was talk of Germany doing the same last year but I am not sure it was confirmed.

Red Silurian · 29-06-2021 11:36PM

https://www.kehoekars.com/kehoe-kars-used-cars.html?car=281116798

About 21k in Euro but I'd say knock 10% off without a trade in... Not bad for a 3 year old 40kWh leaf

0lddog · 29-06-2021 11:42PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

https://www.kehoekars.com/kehoe-kars-used-cars.html?car=281116798

About 21k in Euro but I'd say knock 10% off without a trade in... Not bad for a 3 year old 40kWh leaf

VAT status of it ?

and good luck getting 10% off.....even Free Staters are reluctant to give that these days

fits · 30-06-2021 09:41AM

The only reason I can think of to learn and do test on manual is for hiring cars abroad or longer stints in other countries with mostly manual cars.

But we haven’t had a manual in our household for ten years now. And I don’t think we will again.

unkel · 30-06-2021 09:45AM

fits wrote: »

The only reason I can think of to learn and do test on manual is for hiring cars abroad or longer stints in other countries with mostly manual cars.

Yes that's another consideration we had. In most countries now you need to be at least 21 to hire a car (often 25). My eldest has just gone 17, so by the time she is 21 (or 25!) there are likely plenty of rental EVs out there

graememk · 30-06-2021 11:18AM

unkel wrote: »

Yes that's another consideration we had. In most countries now you need to be at least 21 to hire a car (often 25). My eldest has just gone 17, so by the time she is 21 (or 25!) there are likely plenty of rental EVs out there

Rental EV's would be great, none of this faffing around with either prepaying for fuel or anything.

thats where teslas would really win, if theres a good supercharger network, just plug in and go, and just get that added to the bill at the end.

I think Marcusbil are starting to rent cars out in Norway to non Residents.

unkel · 30-06-2021 11:31AM

graememk wrote: »

Rental EV's would be great, none of this faffing around with either prepaying for fuel or anything.

thats where teslas would really win, if theres a good supercharger network, just plug in and go, and just get that added to the bill at the end.

I tried to rent a Tesla for a big family holiday (road trip) we had just over 3 years ago in the USA. It proved impossible / hugely expensive. Hopefully things are changing now!

DrPhilG · 30-06-2021 01:56PM

I used GoMore to rent a Tesla in Norway a few years back. Nabobil wasn't available to non Scandinavians.

It was double the price of a small petrol, but when you take into account the free fuel and toll benefits etc it was pretty competitive.

the_amazing_raisin · 30-06-2021 02:19PM

unkel wrote: »

I tried to rent a Tesla for a big family holiday (road trip) we had just over 3 years ago in the USA. It proved impossible / hugely expensive. Hopefully things are changing now!

I looked at renting a Model 3 for a trip to France a couple of years ago. The rental ended up costing more than the flights

While a Tesla rental service would be great, it just doesn't make much financial sense right now. Rental companies get big discounts from car manufacturers and it doesn't look like Tesla is interested in giving those same deals

unkel · 30-06-2021 02:26PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

While a Tesla rental service would be great, it just doesn't make much financial sense right now.

It was a once in a lifetime family trip, costing a few bob. I wouldn't have minded paying twice for a Tesla Model S than what I paid for the Nissan "minivan" we ended up with. At the time the Tesla was a dream car for me, I would never have believed you if you told me at the time I would own one within 2 years :-)

Red Silurian · 01-07-2021 11:13AM

0lddog wrote: »

VAT status of it ?

and good luck getting 10% off.....even Free Staters are reluctant to give that these days

No trade in though there are still big discounts available

Northern Ireland applies EU VAT rules so you should be fine, also electric vehicles do not carry any VRT so the price you see is the price you should pay

ELM327 · 01-07-2021 11:39AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

No trade in though there are still big discounts available

Northern Ireland applies EU VAT rules so you should be fine, also electric vehicles do not carry any VRT so the price you see is the price you should pay

7% VRT rate on EVs over 50k OMSP

Red Silurian · 01-07-2021 12:13PM

ELM327 wrote: »

7% VRT rate on EVs over 50k OMSP

That will never be an issue for me anyway lol

fafy · 01-07-2021 12:27PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

No trade in though there are still big discounts available

Northern Ireland applies EU VAT rules so you should be fine, also electric vehicles do not carry any VRT so the price you see is the price you should pay

Is there a detailed guide on importing an EV from the North somehwhere ? I know the vehicle has to have to have originated in NI, how is this proven ?and must have at least 6,000 kms to avoid vrt & vat, i am talking about vehicles with an OMSP here of under €35k, so would be exempt both VAT & VRT

baldshin · 10-11-2021 05:48PM

No posts on here in a while! Spotted a rare Renault Fluence Ze for €2999. This must be a bargain for someone who's use case it would meet?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-fluence-electric-car-for-sale-or-swap/29647428

unkel · 10-11-2021 06:38PM

You need to have proof in the form of a letter from Renault Finance that indeed the car has an owned battery. If it isn't, the car isn't even a bargain at €999

If it is, this is a steal, someone grab it quickly. Have one myself (battery owned) and it is the perfect second family car for an urban region like Dublin if you are on an ultra low budget. Fairly easily get around 80km range in summer, probably more with a light foot. I expect not much more than 55km in winter. And there is no DC fast charging, just AC 3.3kW slow charging, so beware. Apart from that, great cheap car. Who again said that they couldn't afford an EV? They are all proven wrong. This car costs less to own than a petrol or diesel banger that someone gives you for free.

baldshin · 10-11-2021 07:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118147451#Comment_118147451

I'm going to have a quick look in to this. Living about 8km from Galway City and have to get rid of my wife's Fiat 500 after the arrival of a new baby and need something to have on standby at home for when she'll be up and down to Limerick with the Ioniq. This looks like it could work for us and leave us with money left over from the sale of the 500 along with minimal running costs.

unkel · 10-11-2021 08:30PM

Yep, we have it as a rarely needed second family car with a total cost of ownership of almost zero (I'd say the car costs me no more than €0.50 per day all-in given some negative depreciation)

Also for my daughters to learn to drive in, obviously the insurance for that is not included in above figure. Not possible to add a learner to a Tesla Model S performance unless you bend over 😂

ltd440 · 10-11-2021 08:31PM

What does new motor and gearbox mean ??

the_amazing_raisin · 10-11-2021 10:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118147909#Comment_118147909

Maybe he means it like "one of those new fangled electric motors and no gearbox" 😁

Bit of an odd one alright, you'd expect the motor to last beyond 8 years. Maybe it was part of a recall or something?

kanuseeme · 11-11-2021 11:37AM

Had a conversation with a person and they said their motor was replaced under warranty , must be some weak component in it somewhere.

ELM327 · 11-11-2021 12:04PM

God I'd love that. Part of my dream EV garage alongside a battery owned twizy, a citroen AMI and others in the "pointless EV" challenge

unkel · 11-11-2021 02:29PM

Yep me too, would love an Ami. And a Twizy.

The Fluence ZE really is a sound car for that sort of money battery owned. Get a few hundred quid off and that car has zero or negative deprecation for many years to come, provided it keeps working. Even if the battery further degrades.

slave1 · 11-11-2021 04:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118150025#Comment_118150025

Early EVs like that, Leaf has battery issues in hot climates and try and find a Tesla Model S that hasn't had either it's battery or drivetrain replaced

redcup342 · 16-11-2021 04:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117550438#Comment_117550438

Definitely, a Manual can be 10 times cheaper than an automatic when renting.

Many times when you book a Manual and turn up they'll give you Automatic anyway, but if you turn up with an Automatic restriction on your license you will get absolutely fleeced.

In Dusseldorf airport at the desk for the same class of car an American in at the counter next to me paid 85 euros a day whereas I paid 9 euros a day, he didnt even take CDW as his credit card covered it.

the_amazing_raisin · 16-11-2021 07:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118175955#Comment_118175955

To be fair, most Americans haven't had to drive on anything narrower than the M50, so I'd be wary of renting a car out to them as well 😁

unkel · 16-11-2021 08:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118175955#Comment_118175955

All much of a muchness now. Within a couple of years all rental cars will be automatic. Ask Hertz.

redcup342 · 16-11-2021 08:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118177248#Comment_118177248

Got an automatic, but if you rock up with a manual booked and an auto only license they won't rent you a car unless you pay the extra and then give you the automatic anyway.

I got an Ford Focus Estate Automatic btw ;)

unkel · 16-11-2021 09:28PM

Yeah I get your point, but that is very much a quickly ending situation. Very soon all rental cars will be automatic anyway and you won't be able to book a manual even if you wanted to.

innrain · 16-11-2021 09:57PM

2 weeks rental in Munich December/January I don't see the massive difference you're talking about

This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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