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Why is rugby/the Irish rugby team so popular?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    You have a hurl and a sliotar you can even tip it around by yourself a bit, you have a wall and you're laughing. Same with a football.

    You have a rugby ball, I suppose you could practice holding it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    Tag Rugby and 7's rugby can be played...the likes of Keenan have played for Ireland 7s and thst is a path more players are taking. Also the ladies 7s is getting more investment than 15s

    You don't need grass to play rugby. It is better to have it because if you fall but you dont



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    You can practise passing it, have you watched a GAA football match recently 99% of the time they are hand passing. Kick the ball and everyone on the pitch stops and looks.

    You also have a rugby ball which you can practise passing which comes back to you :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭starkid


    christ on a bike. right what age are you? if reasonable age i can get you into a local club. i'd laugh as i watch you fall apart with the lack of skill needed. jesus h christ these two attributes are huge in rugby. you sometimes have to do multiple actions in the space of a minute. Skills are learned competencies. Attributes are much more personal. Attributes are the personal qualities that make us who we are. so in such a physical game the line blurs significantly.

    yeah run across the line as another human is about to smash you.

    you haven't a clue. embarassing input.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    I was just pointing out how skillful the players are.

    If Rugby was Irelands number 1 sport and we have the pick of players like GAA I think we would be far more successful than we currently are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    20 years versus 4 months, short timer. I was posting here back when barely anyone outside of George Hooks christmas card list gave a flying **** about Rugby



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    I was agreeing with you! Any of those lads would be able to turn their hand to another sport if they wished to. They might not make it to the top level but they'd go far beyond the average level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭starkid


    lol i think we've found Ewan.

    ffs what a load of utter tripe.

    the ignorance drips from your psots. if you think Tweed was the only Unionist who played for Ireland you are an ignorant melon.

    its quite obvious why the Irish rugby team does this., Funnily enough its hugely inclusive and is a soft glue between north and south which would be more divisive without the likes of rugby, cricket, golf being all ireland. Tyrone winning is a similar positive for GAA and the same thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Do you remember when boards.ie was all fields?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    You'd think you'd have something better to do than trolling Boards at this age. Anyway, carry on - whatever lights up your days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,565 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    I'll give you that Tweed is a extreme example, but what else about my post is wrong, or a load of utter tripe as you call it ?

    The media hype up rugby.

    The RWC 2023 bid was a joke.

    We are not Rugby Country.

    And going to a private school greatly enhances your chance of being a senior international.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,567 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    "And going to a private school greatly enhances your chance of being a senior international."


    Why do you think that is??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,565 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Well it's obvious, because they have the facilities, the coaching etc to develop players.

    And as a result claims that rugby is not elitist fall of deaf ears because more than likely going to a private school is a pre-requisite to becoming an international player.

    People can throw out one or two names of players here and there that came from non fee paying schools and made it, but they are the exception, not the rule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr




    It is shocking to see the creeping into GAA sports of lads throwing the ball around, undermining the natural skillfullness of sports for True Gaels. Rules need to be amended if they can't be enforced to address the problem, RTE commentators referring to lads coming off the shoulder in glowing terms, disasterous



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭starkid


    the bid was a joke cause sporting facilities in this country are a joke. thats hardly rugbys fault is it? If Ireland were hosting a WC in 2023 it would be unreal and a huge filip for the country. of course people who lack imagination can't get it.

    Who said we are a rugby country? its the 4th most popular sport in the country? again Irish rugby doesn't write vodafone ads. so how is that a criticism. the media went into overdrive as we have very few succesful professional sports in this country. its not rocket science like. Success breeds hype and interest. again it would be remiss of the IRFU not to encourage this for funding and profit. so its a stupid point. Its not some media conspiracy like. ffs. Theres wall to wall coverage of English soccer in this country. Pages upon pages dedicated to our main amateur sport. The SUnday Times has huge GAA coverage.

    and i do have an issue with the IRFUS work in this area regarding private schools, however its not a cause and effect issue. otherwise we'd be unreal. Its a freak that a huge number of pros are coming from one private school, but its hardly some sort of conspiracy. Its a wealthy school so they have access to facilities and coaching. However loads of other private schools are failing on and off the field. rugby is tied into it across the World due to the historic ties. Its up to World rugby and the IRFU to continue growing it outside of these bubbles, like they have in Bandon. Again its criticism leveled at people as if they could change it. How could James Ryan or Sexton change where they went to school?

    The IRFu will point to Earls, Furlong, Sean O'Brien, Shane Horgan, Murray, Henderson, Ferris and a few others as examples of non private schooled players.

    Like i can't wait for the day a kid from inner city plays pro rugby somewhere, but apart from funding a club in the heart of the city what can the IRFU actually do. they already do special sessions with non traditional schools.

    You can't just put down jumpers for goalposts. Rugby has a number of issues that differentiates it fro mother sports. Mainly safety. Its inheritantly an unsafe sport that needs specialised coaching to mitigate the dangers. I know cause i have done the steps needed. These old schools have a century of rugby in them. Its foolish to dismiss that.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    Viewing figures on TV for matches and regular near sold out stadiums would say differently.. but sure lets not let facts and figures get in the way of your sectarian rambles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    I hate rugby but I can see why people follow the Irish team and get excited for the matches etc. It's one of the few relatively big international sports at which we can win matches the odd time. I'd genuinely choose to be blindfolded in an anechoic chamber for the duration of a game than watch Ireland win the world cup final though, that's how much I actually can't stand the sport. It's getting to the point of an irrational level of contempt but whatever.

    The head trauma thing is a personal choice. If you start banning sports because of head trauma then far, far superior sports like boxing would be on the chopping block first and nobody wants to live in a world without boxing. Fortunately people are more informed when they make the decision to participate in sports where head trauma is a risk, so it's up to them. They know what they're getting into.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭CorkBoyInDub


    I wouldn't be a rugby fan myself, but it's a physical sport with a lot of hits and usually there's plenty of scores in a game. We're never going to be *that* bad so it's easy to understand why people like it so much. If you're not a big fan like me you can always just change the channel.

    I must say I was surprised reading that the Ireland vs Portugal game had 50,000+ more viewers at it's peak than the All Blacks game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,565 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Yea TV figures and attendance at big games is good, but as I have alluded to on this thread many times, it's not deep.

    TV viewers and the big games is all it is.

    Once you scratch the surface, and get away from the big events (I believe Japan was not a sell out) the numbers just dry up.

    Compare that to something like the GAA, where you can go multiple layers below All Ireland Final days, county finals for example, and still find thousands of people going to games.

    Rugby is a TV sport for the masses, little else.



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    40,000 people at the japan game, considering theres a healthy number of people still cautious with regard covid, thats not a bad figure for a test match with a team with almost zero support in the stadium. Considering leinster needs to move quite a number of their games from RDS to Aviva would imply there is a demand also.

    GAA for sure has a huge following, because GAA is more, does that mean rugby is not popular? Im just trying to see your logic.



  • Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is Earls not the exception that proves the rule? I think the IRFU could do much more. I think Guinness sticking a billboard in St. James's saying "This is Rugby Country" is not going to do anything



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    checked there, ireland v qatar was what 25k and ireland portugal, 10k more than the japan game...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I don't know anything about the background of those players but I've long thought that it should be the underage system that developed you should determine your international eligibility.

    No one actually plays for Ireland, they play for the sporting association.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    Is the impression that this billboard was aimed at declaring rugby triumphant over the inner city? More likely it was aimed at selling beer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    We are still in the middle of a pandemic with a lot of people still afraid of large crowd, yet you pick out a game to say it wasn't sold out 😂 30,000+ at the game and believe me it was a great atmosphere.

    Before covid is a better indication when Ireland game sold out no problem, Leinster would sell out the Aviva 3-4 times a season plus a few more games if they got to the HC semis etc. In reality at this stage the Aviva is too small for the 6 nations and Ireland would sell double the tickets it has.

    Leinster for 10+ years has over 10k season ticket holder.

    At my local rugby club the numbers are up and growing for players. More & more clubs are opening up or growing with players joining.

    I think if you actually did scratch the surface you will find rugby has never been in a better place in Ireland, the four provinces are spending lots of money to get players from outside the normal routes. I would suggets you do a little bit of research



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,435 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭randd1


    But surely if Irish rugby wanted top host the World Cup, it would be up to Irish rugby to have the facilities in place themselves to host it? And if Irish rugby doesn't have the facilities, then who's fault is it that they don't other than Irish rugby's?

    Rugby just doesn't have the facilities, because it doesn't have the popular support in this country. Nor does it have the requisite number of big games to cater for large scale investment by the government.

    There's more GAA clubs in Cork than rugby clubs on the island, and I would dare say that on average, they would pull in better crowd figures for their club championships than the AIL. Without the GAA and their facilities, there would be absolutely no hope of Irish rugby hosting the world cup, and it would cost a billion or so to do up the GAA facilities for a World Cup. And the GAA would be well within their rights to say they're not going to put in a penny as they're happy to carry on with the facilities in place. So the cost would have to be borne by the IRFU and the government with the end result that one of their competitors end up with the facilities.

    The bid was a joke because Irish rugby had lost the reality that rugby isn't as popular as it seems to think in this country outside of the national side, and it's lack of facilities and teams reflect that. It was a deluded fantasy to begin with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭randd1


    The strength of the AIL would tell more than the provincial/national teams. And they're declining for the most part, certainly in terms of crowd figures.



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