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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    It's 7% on vehicles with 0 - 50 CO2 on the WLTP cycle.



  • Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Base it on engine hp output



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    What about the polluter pays principal? Carbon tax on fuel already taxes those who emit CO2 by driving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Why? Why not on efficiency, this would discourage larger, less pedestrian friendly SUVs and larger wasteful batteries that most people don't need to lug around for their 10km trip to work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Do a conversion!!!!

    You know you want to 😁

    Colin Furze did a conversion of a ride on mower recently and it actually worked out pretty well

    I'd say a conversion of a UTV would be straightforward enough, no need to worry about aerodynamics or any of that nonsense. You could mount motors on either end, or even do a motor per wheel for 4WD

    Probably not the answer you were looking for was it? 🤣

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Can't afford the downtime... Or the time or equipment to actually do it properly!


    Polaris have a new ranger ev launching in December, using motors (and batteries) from zero motorcycles. Am interested (and my dad is too!. As long as it's not stupid money.

    The current one they have is a 48v one and it's not a full size one either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Other than a few ATVs on Alibaba there doesn't seem to be much around.

    I know there's a couple of electric tractors from John Deere, so they're at least considering it, but haven't heard of anything brought to market yet

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    A diesel ranger with a cab is around 21-22k + vat, about on par with the competition. I dare say the ev will be more.



  • Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Because is not about poluting, is about raising taxes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Indeed it is. Which is very sad because people won't invest in EVs when they know taxes will go up anyway.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Re charging the ev...I don't have a problem with the range of the ev..it's the public charging stations are the problem...99 percent charge at 22 kw which takes hours ..I certainly don't want to connect an ev while shopping to find out it's only gone up 5 percent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Here's a random EV thought, do you get to keep the old battery if it gets replaced out of warranty

    It's probably an edge case since it generally isn't worth replacing the battery outside of warranty, but here's my thought process

    In an ICE car when you get a part replaced they don't give you back the broken parts. Makes sense as they're not worth very much

    But even a damaged battery would be worth thousands, and the likelihood is the manufacturer would repair it and sell it on anyway

    Has this happened to anyone and were you offered the old battery back, or did you get any kind of payment for them keeping the old battery?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    My guess is the work is priced on an exchange basis where the old battery is part payment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭electricus


    Don’t forget that pollution costs money in terms of health, environment, and emissions fines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭electricus


    I haven’t had a battery replaced but did read something on one of the ev sites about an battery company allowing ‘trade in’ for old packs to offset the cost of an upgrade. Like you say, they’re valuable and quite sought after.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If you can get a home charger installed you will never need to worry about charging at the shops. But if you rely on supermarket chargers it's easy to figure out the expected charge rate: Say your car has a 50 kWh of battery and it can charge at 11 kW. 4 hours at 11 kW will net about 40 kWh charged (estimating the losses at 10% which is more than the actual loss) so every hour connected to 11 kW charging point will give you 20% of battery. If you arrive to the shops at 30% expect to leave with 50% of battery after an hour of shopping.

    In general if you're traveling you don't really need plug in to these slower chargers and then wait for the car to charge. Quick (rapid) chargers of 50-300 kW are the ones to go for and you only charge enough (usually about 20/30 minutes) to make it back home with a few percent of the battery remaining.

    In case of my own car last weekend: We drove to Galway from NE Kildare and arrived with just under half of the battery remaining. When we punched the home as destination on the way back the car estimated that we would arrive with -1% of battery remaining so needed to charge somewhere along the route home. We then just picked up one of many chargers alongside M4 to top up by 10% which took about 10 minutes and arrived home with a few percent of battery remaining on Saturday evening having covered over 400 km. By Sunday morning when we woke up the car was again charged and ready to go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah I think I saw the same company offering that as part of a Leaf battery upgrade

    I suspect the mainstream garages won't offer the same deal and will instead charge you full price on the battery and sell the old one on to be recycled 😑

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭cannco253


    I've heard of a part exchange old for new, but you know you'd be losing out on the true value of the old battery.



    FYI these guys are based in Newry, selling a 58kWh ID.3 battery for GBP5k. Wonder what the story was with the car



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    If you can't get a home charger, then the easiest option would be to plug in at a public charger near home or work and leave the car there for half a day

    Currently with the ID.4, I'm only charging it once or twice a week from around 30% to 80%

    So 50% charge will take around 3.5 hours on a 22kW charger. Plug in one or two mornings a week and that's all you need

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,180 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    ^^ That would be a seriously impressive home battery storage solution, for an unbelievable price.....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Last picture shows a crashed car, I guess it got written off and they took the battery out

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I'm seriously tempted, I think the main difficulty would be breaking down the modules, I think they're something like 38V nominal, so you'd need to break them down and reconfigure them to something like 48V

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭UID0


    How much fuel goes into your tank at the moment while you're in shopping? You have to look at energy in a different manner with an EV than you do in a petrol/diesel car.

    There are different categories of EV owner/driver.

    1 Have home/work charging and do most of their day-to-day driving inside the range of their vehicle. These drivers don't need to use public chargers on a day-to-day basis, and will only use public chargers for long distance travel or extended times away from their home.

    2 Have no home/work charging. These drivers need to use public charging, and can be divided into 2 subcategories

    a Plug in any time they are stopped in a location with public charging. This is the equivalent of the driver who buys €10/20 of fuel to get them through the week.

    b Plug in at a rapid charger when the charge is low, and completely charge the vehicle. This is the equivalent of the driver who lets the car run to "empty" (which, depending on the driver could be anywhere from low fuel light is on to tank is half full) and then fills it completely.

    3 Travel significant distances and exceed the range of their vehicle on a regular basis. These drivers need to use public charging, either at their destination if available or rapid chargers where available (possibly while having lunch).

    4 Day-to-day travel is not long distance, but is not covered by the range of the car. This is drivers who for the most part have bought a second hand car with a degraded battery.

    If you're in category 1, you're not going to plug in while shopping. It's cheaper to charge at home, and you can do that overnight.

    If you're in category 2, you're likely to have some combination of 2a and 2b. How much will depend on your driving profile, and how much charge you need on a weekly basis. 2a covers the type of charging that you are talking about. If you go shopping and use 6kWh to get to the supermarket and back, but take on 11kWh in the time you were shopping, then you have 5kWh more at the end of the trip than you did at the start. This is without it costing you anything in time. If you only use category 2b, and don't charge while shopping, but wait until you go to a fast charger, then you will take on the charge quicker, but likely have to wait with the car. If you use 11kWh to travel to/from the shop and take on 6kWh while shopping, then you will have a longer time between visits to a fast charger. From a time efficiency point of view, you are better off charging while shopping, even if you only take on a relatively small amount. Then you do the same when you go to the gym, or anywhere else you go that has public charging available.

    Government policy at the moment has been to prioritise category 1, and sort of facilitate category 2a, 3 & 4. There are grants for home chargers and there are a limited number of public AC destination chargers and rapid chargers on motorway routes. There is an extremely small number of rapid chargers in urban locations which would be needed to support category 2b.

    This policy made sense for the initial phases of transitioning towards EVs, especially in the extremely early stages (a decade ago) when there was a level of uncertainty over whether BEV or FCEV was the way to go. As it currently stands, there doesn't seem to be a need for government to increase the level of support for EV ownership - there are waiting lists for virtually all EVs on the market. When the rate of market penetration slows, and it can be seen to be due to infrastructural deficiencies, then government will target their supports at whatever infrastructure is missing. Until then, any significant changes are likely to come only when there is a commercially viable proposition.

    Ireland has a large number of homes with dedicated off-street parking, and that has allowed the government to follow this strategy. Charging EVs overnight allows a larger number to be facilitated by the electrical grid than charging them using fast chargers, which would be more likely to happen at one of the peak electricity usage periods of the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,894 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Serious bit of heavy work involved. I know a guy who stripped a 24kWh Leaf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭UID0



    I wonder how long it will be until we see something like this here (only with wind as opposed to solar). Using the complete battery pack as opposed to removing the cells helps to set a base price for the second hand value of EVs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I saw an article a couple of years ago about planning permission being sought for 2 battery storage plants. Looking at recent updates, it looks like some are already operational with many more planned


    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Have a listen to hot mess podcast it's on Rte/Spotify. Talks about grid storage a little bit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭cannco253


    "The electric vehicle maker has been public for all of one week, but its share price has more than doubled in that time, valuing Rivian at more than $140 billion — just ahead of Volkswagen ($139 billion), and in third place behind Toyota ($306 billion) and Tesla ($1 trillion)."


    Roll up, Roll up....place your bets....

    Madness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain


    just two years ago PSA boss at the time said:

    We are not in the business of making highways. We are not in the business of making roads. We are not in the business of making petrol stations. We are not in the business of making charging networks.

    https://www.driving.co.uk/news/business/tavares-why-should-peugeot-pay-electric-car-chargers/

    Times are changing fast and who's hung on the good old days might realize is too late.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,180 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Asking here so as not to break the rules in the new charger thread.......... ...

    How come Gridserve can install chargers in NI and charge for them, yet eCars can't charge for charging? I'd heard legislation mentioned before.. has it changed in any way?

    https://twitter.com/plugincarguy/status/1460574907776053254?s=20

    That new eCars fast charger installed yesterday in Sprucefield..... as long as it's free, there's no point in ever considering it as a viable option... Best you'd ever get would be an opportunistic charge if you happened to be close to it!!



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