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Why is rugby/the Irish rugby team so popular?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    THink you replied to the wrong post here...? I never mentioned the national team - or even supporting anyone, I went mostly as a neutral.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Boxing is a skilled, highly physical game, hurling is a highly skilled, highly physical game. Rugby is big lads holding a ball while running,. while other big lads try to run into them. Say what you want about soccer players being big Wendys, at least they need skills for the fundamentals of the game. My dog can catch a ball and run with it and he jinks better than most of those lads too. 😂

    You could train an ape to catch a ball and run up a pitch, and judging by the state of some of the international players that's what they did, then shaved them. Obviously rampant steroid abuse at junior level is not what turned them into human silverbacks. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Did you not read the post he was replying to think "useless trolling" at some point?!

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Must have been difficult getting parked up with the horse, big crowd to watch a rugby match followed by soccer, for free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    They don't support who parents and grandparents support. Who supported Man City 10 years ago? Chelsea for a long time was the favourite. Before that Utd. Even my kids school now loads of them support Liverpool yet their parents are Utd supporters and "hate" Liverpool.

    Years ago you had Leeds supporters all over the place, try find one now. Once they fell out of the Premiership the "hardcore" fans just picked up the next successful club and supported them.

    An Arsenal v Man Utd match a few season ago was the big game, pubs rammed for the game, now??

    It has nothing to do with the Irish diaspora or parents supporting clubs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Exactly this. They can try and dress it up whatever way they like. The fact is the teams who are most successful are the most supported here, basically jumping on the bandwagon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    Truth?

    What about the Man Utd supporters who got so pee'ed off with how Utd was been run they set up a club and put it into non league football. A quixck google and it has one of the highest attendances for a non league club in England. How do you think the facilities and tv coverage is for them?

    Makes all the Irish flying over and calling Utd "we" a bit embarrassing for Ireland doesn't it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭starkid


    i'd say on average theres more exciting rugby matches than football. there's more actions per player in rugby. however alot of the stuff in football is done away from the ball and highlights video. Cullen is an example of this if you watch him. he is always scanning the pitch around him. or off the ball runs, or positioning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    I support the national team. Even though the quality is often not great, I wouldn't go off an support another country. So I am not sure I buy it as an excuse to support English teams instead of LOI teams.



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    i think half the problem is, everyone has the opportunity to play football, not every has the opportunity to play rugby, is that maybe what the bitterness towards it is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,565 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    I'd say there are a few reasons rugby gets the dislike it does, here's my thoughts.

    The media. The national media hype up rugby way beyond what level of interest is actually there. As I have pointed out rugby roots do not run deep in this country, but seeing as the likes of RTE are based right in rugby heartland, and The Irish Times has the background it has, rugby gets way more promotion than it deserves.

    Think back to the farce of a RWC 2023 bid. No one in the media except an enigmatic fringe journalist based in Brazil were willing to dig deep into the bid and find it's pretty obvious flaws. It was all rainbows and lollipops from the Irish media

    The level of farce that the bid actually was came out in the technical review prior to the election process when it was revealed that the Irish bid was third behind South Africa and France.

    The promoters. I know it's up the the advertisers to pump their product, but declaring that Ireland is "Rugby country" and that the team are "The team of us" when neither are anywhere near true does annoy people.

    Then there is the elitism. The reality is rugby is an elite sport and for a male to become an Irish rugby international going to a private fee paying school, well out of the reach of most people, increases their chances beyond belief.

    And finally the flag and anthem. Basically by ditching the tricolor and Amhrán na bhFiann the IRFU were appeasing the likes of Davy Tweed, and if you don't know who Davy Tweed was here are a few highlights

    • He was an Irish rugby international from Ulster
    • He was an member of the TUV (Traditional Unionist Voice) having left the DUP because they had become soft
    • He openly verbally abused Catholics on their way to mass as part of three year long demonstration, simply because they were Catholics on their way to mass.
    • Oh an he is also a convicted pedophile.
    • He died a few weeks ago in a crash.

    If the likes of Davy fuckin Tweed does not like the Irish tricolor or Amhrán na bhFiann, they should be told to piss off and form their own rugby union.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    The team include players who are not from the republic... can you understand why the flag and anthem is not appropriate, it is a whole island team not republic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭starkid


    yeah cause Keith Earls didn't grow up in Moyross. The IRFU need to do far more in this area imo, but using Stander as the stick to beat Irish rugby is preverse.

    Rugby is a tough game to learn, to coach. Irish rugby would need to have a club in the NIC to change the culture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭starkid


    what an ignorant and mornic post. Why don't you join a club and put your money where your mouth is. i'm sure you'd be utterly broken after a few games. rugby has loads of skill. Passing, tackling, footwork, coordination, agression, timing, running. you clearly don't know anything about any sport if this your takeaway from rugby. lads just running up and down a pitch. yeah thats what happens alright, you ignorant troll.

    Now yeah football on average is more skillful as they can only use certain bodyparts.

    Why do Irish people have to have these weird battles over sport. its **** strange. DItto for any rugby fan talking about football players. Some cracking tough players in football. And people who talk **** about football players have never gone against a shane duffy type centreback who would batter you as a striker.

    i hope you get a ban for your libel at the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,946 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I’d be a Leeds fan, myself, B. Have to say I found it quite galling to see all the hardcore United fans had all suddenly stopped supporting them when they went shít.

    Up until a few years ago there was a lot of, sometimes overly aggressive, “banter” in the office. Now, there’s nothing because the United fans all support Rovers or Bohs, because it’s “pure live football” or they no longer follow soccer at all.

    Very fickle, if you ask me. Before they lost 5-0 to Liverpool, at home, I’d, actually, started to see a few United jerseys around, stretched over protruding bellies. Hadn’t seen that for a long time.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,565 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Well then let them form their own union as I said.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    Thats some weird misplaced patriotism right there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,468 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Keith Earls grew up in Moyross in Limerick

    St Munchins college in Limerick is not a 'posh fee paying school' is one of the best schools for rugby in the country and loads of internationals including some of the very greats came through that school, like Foley, Murray, Earls, Flannery, Keith Wood etc

    So the claim that it's only rich kids that play rugby, may be true in the UK, but in Ireland, there is a mix with far less than half of the irish capped players coming from fee paying schools.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Give a lad with no training a hurl and a sliotar and ask him to pop it over (or under) the bar from 20 metres , most lads can't without training

    Give a lad with no training a soccer ball and ask him to kick into the goal from outside the penalty area, most can, but some can't

    Give a lad with no training a rugby ball and ask him to hold it while he runs across a line, anyone with a pulse can do it.

    That's the difference lads.

    I do like that you consider aggression and coordination to be skills rather than attributes. 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    You can buy a rugby ball for a 5-10 euro, that's all you need



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,468 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Not posting this because I don't think you're a troll, I'm posting this because they're class

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    You are rare person. When they won the league a few seasons ago you had a load of fans, then when they had all the money etc the place was covered with them. They went bust and it was like tumbleweed I expect in the Irish Leeds supporters Group.

    I find it strange how you meet someone in work and they support X....you move on but a few years later you end up crossing paths and the same person is supporting Y, plus acting like they are a lifelong fan of said club. Normally you will find that club is suddenly on top of the league or close to it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    I would say that rugby involves more skill than soccer to be fair.........I mean you have positions that are so specialised as a result of the specific skill needed. Everyone in a rugby team appears to have a specific role and the teamwork and coordination and discipline appears to be very important. In rugby you catch, kick, throw, sprint, sidestep, tackle etc. I've never played it at all apart from messing around with one or two sevens tournaments a long long time ago.

    Boxing is indeed a great sport and it is individual so you can only depend on yourself. You don't have to worry about the teamwork but you also have nobody to back you up if you make a mistake. It is a sport that also teaches discipline. There is also that old (mainly US) idiom of boxing being a way out of the ghetto for young men that otherwise probably would never get the chance to escape. That can of course be contrasted with soccer - which could be argued to be a way to keep young men in the ghetto who might otherwise have escaped 😋



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    Seems odd to pick out a paedophile idiot as representative of the entire Unionist community, but whatever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    Quite the opposite. You will find a lot of the young Irish players like Larmour, JVDF etc etc all represented Ireland or played other sports at a young level. Just highly skillful young Irish people, same with the ladies rugby



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    You need more people, I'd think. Four or five kids can have a 2 on 2 kickabout, but with rugby you need a few more. Also, you can play football out on the road, with rugby it needs to be grass.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Of course. If you have the physical attributes to play any of those sports at a high level, you could realistically transfer those attributes to another sport and play at a reasonable level at least. I am sure for example, that most top GAA players could run 100m faster than you average non-sprinter. I'd expect that any pro rugby player would be able to pick up another sport at a reasonable level fairly highly. Sure didn't RTE have a good series about players doing crossovers a few years back? I seem to remember the Donegal fella Michael Murphy going to play rugby for a team in France? And Lee Chin went to Canada for ice hockey etc.

    I even see the local GAA second team here doing alright at Junior B level over the last few years. They have a couple of older lads on the sidelines coming to the end of their playing day that if, say they decided to give up and take up soccer, could probably get a run on the Irish national team if they lost a bit of their collective beer bellies.



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  • Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How few people have addressed your third point is really telling. Majority of the naysayers don't know what they are talking about. You got your wish and the rule has already been changed from 3 years to 5 years. I actually think you might be trolling given how wrong you got this.



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