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Buying a car with no Air Conditioning...

  • 09-11-2021 8:31am
    Registered Users Posts: 290 ✭✭ TooObvious

    Hey, I'm in the market for a new (to me) car. Given that it will be primarily suburban driving, i'm looking at small petrol engined cars. My heart is set on a Toyota IQ, however the one i have pinpointed does not have a/c!!!

    Just for the non query related comments, this is a 2nd car to the family car, I don't have a secure access point for electric charger, I use train when I can and there will be a brompton fold-up bike going in the boot.

    My query - Is it a mistake in this day and age buying a car with no a/c?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 62,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011

    Wouldn't consider a car without it in Ireland due to how damp it is. The cooling is a nice side product if its warm, but the drying is the essential bit.

    This sounds like its going to be a bad weather car too, if you're intending to use it as an adjunct to cycling - if that's right you'll be only driving it in peak AC weather.

  • Registered Users Posts: 46 PilotHole

    I wouldn't buy one without either but.....we survived for many many years without it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭ JimmyVik

    Used to wonder why people obsessed about air con.

    Since i started driving cars with air con though, i would never buy one without it now.

    Its 1st on the list of essentials if looking at a car now :)

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭ Furze99

    And still do. Ours on one car and only used in the very odd summer heatwave.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,204 ✭✭✭✭ HeidiHeidi

    I hate A/C in a car with a passion - but when it's needed, it's needed, and I'm not sure I'd buy a car without any more.

    Mine gets fired up about 5 times a year max, but those times (v. damp, or v. hot) I'm awfully grateful for it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 50,203 ✭✭✭✭ bazz26

    Contrary to popular belief you don't need a heatwave to have a use for air conditioning. It's very useful on those mild damp Irish days too to clear condensation. Our climate is perfect for it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 290 ✭✭ TooObvious

    Yes, you're correct on pissy days I would be inclined to stay in the car, on moderately wet to average weather days I generally drive most of the way into town, park up and cycle in the D8 to D2 section. So there could be a wet brompton in it on the way home also. Irrespective of this, there definitely seems to be a consensus!

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭ RINO87

    Yep, wet bike, damp clothes, sweaty driver = lots, and lots of condensation, and personally, it would drive me mad!!

    I've my ac/cc on all year, set to 19 degrees and never have to touch it, its brilliant.

  • For a new Dacia Sandero in northern Europe it is one to ponder whether you get one with or without. For almost every other car you'd be hard to find a good reason not to spend the extra.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 290 ✭✭ TooObvious

    I take umbrage at the "sweaty driver" comment!

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭ RINO87

    ha ha, I thought that might happen!!! For "sweaty", read GLOWING

  • Registered Users Posts: 72,869 ✭✭✭✭ colm_mcm

    The only iQ worth buying is a loaded 1.33 model.

    the 1.0 engine and miserly Irish spec ruin an otherwise interesting car. I had one for a while from work when they came out.

    you don’t need aircon, but that’s the least of your worries.

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,409 ✭✭✭✭ wotzgoingon

    What you want is climate control. I have basic aircon and it is freezing even on hot summers day on low that I have to alternate having it on and off as leave it on too long and it's like sitting in a ice bath. Then turn it off for a while and get hot then rinse and repeat turning it on and off while climate control with keep the cabin at a constant temperature doing the turning on and off automatically.

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,629 ✭✭✭ PsychoPete

    Wouldn't even consider buying a car without it, I use it all year round

  • Registered Users Posts: 290 ✭✭ TooObvious

    I think you might be right. Turns out the car I was interested in does have a/c just not climate control. Either way, I test drove a 1.3 auto IQ (fully loaded)at the weekend and I wasn't overly impressed, they look very cool, but the CVT box put me off. Straight after that test, I took out a Fiat 500S and despite 30bhp less, was far more fun, and also a lovely place to sit.

  • Registered Users Posts: 72,869 ✭✭✭✭ colm_mcm

    I’d agree with you. The iq is quite rare though which is a lot of the appeal. The 500 is far more practical though.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,537 ✭✭✭ Leonard Hofstadter

    As with the others, I wouldn't buy a car without a/c unless it was some sort of fun car for the summer. Anything else needs a/c, end of story.

  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,151 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Henry Ford III

    That's a mistake. It should be used regularly as the refrigerant is also the system lubricant and without circulation rubber seals and hoses will perish.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭ wandererz

    Just... don't do it.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭ galvo_clare

    Are you sure the Brompton will fit in the boot. From what I remember, it won't.

  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 62,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011

    You turn the heat on marginally in that case to take some of the chill off the inbound air.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,586 ✭✭✭ acequion

    Just saw this now and at this stage the Op has either bought the car or not. But having been in that situation with my last car [I had it bought before I realised there was no a/c] I wouldn't advise anybody to touch a car without it. In fact it should be a standard feature, as important as heating and it probably is now. I did keep the car for four years but constantly cursed the lack of a/c. Constant battling with fogged up windows and a few hellish long journeys during heatwaves are experiences I'll never again repeat. I eventually upgraded last summer and value my a/c above all else.

  • Registered Users Posts: 290 ✭✭ TooObvious

    So, I bought the IQ with the manual box, it does have air conditioning thankfully, and the Brompton does fit in the boot with 1 seat down and a bit of wiggling. I'm driving with the A/C on all the time basically and no problems with fogging or anything to that effect, even over the last few days.

    For @colm_mcm, the rarity won out in the end. It's got enough power for day to day driving, far more comfortable than a smart and as good as any other city car, it's deadly around town, and braved Storm Barra over the past few days with no issues. MPG on the first full tank was 47.2mpg - not fantastic, but it was a combination of N7 and plenty of city driving with no effort on my part to save fuel. Not sure who I'm trying to convince here!

    Thanks for all the feedback!

  • Registered Users Posts: 72,869 ✭✭✭✭ colm_mcm

  • Registered Users Posts: 290 ✭✭ TooObvious

    I got the 1.0 - It's perfectly fine for all the driving I do.

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    It's 2021 my friend, get one with air con. Irish people don't realise how good air con is until they actually own a car with air con, and go back the other way. Please, treat yourself, air con is a v standard product nowadays.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,886 ✭✭✭ Flinty997

    Cool car. Always wanted one, but need more seats and space.

    Like the others I would always want AC for Irish damp in the winter.

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    :) I get what you're saying, but I have a picture in my head of you buying a Tata Nano just because it has air con :) :)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,632 ✭✭✭✭ road_high

    An absolute essential in my opinion. Strange a niche almost luxury small Japanese car like the IQ wouldn’t have it as standard. I’d look for another. I couldn’t do a heatwave without it.