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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭funkyzeit100


    The reality were you have to defend the indefensible, instead of proclaiming "shyte" over and over.


    We are subsidising the polluters of the world. It's very simple to see and understand.


    Note how there is very, very little in the way of positive incentivisation. It's always about punitive tax, or encouragement to spend money, no matter what you do.


    I'm sure they collect all that money and send it off to santa clause at Christmas so that he'll magically reduce pollution.


    Meanwhile, china is laughing all the way to the bank and polluting like it's going out of fashion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Das Reich


    China was not the first country to take care of populational growth while countries likes USA did nothing in countries they invaded? In Afghanistan the population was 20 million in 2001, went to 40 million in just 20 years. USA could had kept that number stable. And the funny thing is that in some Portuguese speaking countries in Africa, family plan to reduce fertility was bought by Brazilians and not by Europeans. Best thing for countries like Afghanistan and African countries is if China arrives and colonize and making the population stable and not growing million per year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    The country is turning into a place where a huge percentage of a person's income will be swallowed by accomodation and utility bills leaving very little for people to spend on themselves or their children, such a country will have a lot of anger for those responsible,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    Irish people are the most servile population in Europe. They may get angry but nothing will come from that anger and we all know it. Leo, Martin, Ryan and the rest of that mob will all get big fat pensions that will afford them a comfortable lifestyle most can only dream of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    That's the problem when you are being told by politicians and so-called scientists with golden pensions what you should do.

    Easy for them as they won't have to worry about the costs in the future, they will be well looked after.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    Watching it now on Sky, an absolute joke scrambling around trying to get something together so that they don't have to go home like sheep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    I don't be so sure on that, lot of pent up anger out there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,741 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Do people who say climate change is a hoax actually believe what they're saying or are they just looking for a good cover story so they can continue being selfish ****? I wonder if they're stupid, pricks, or stupid pricks.



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    No one of any seriousness thinks this any more. Rewind ten years and there were actual books being published refuting the whole idea of man made climate change. You don’t see those any more. The only deniers hide out online and in safe spaces like Fox News where they won’t get challenged. Add in that the overwhelming majority of the population now see it as a serious existential challenge and its clear how sidelined people with those self serving views have become. And rightly so



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭funkyzeit100


    I believe climate change is happening.


    I also believe the current thieving policies based around it are absurd and ineffectual.


    It isn't a binary thing at all, despite the maintained narrative.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Think you'll find that the pricks are the Greenwashers trying to exploit people, climate and weather constantly change, taking an extra five grand a year off everyone and spending it in general taxation isn't going to change that,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    They'll have a fanfare announcement later like the whole thing is sorted and people will fall for it. "oh look isn't it great we've made a promise to save the planet", just before they all step onto their private jets and head home to their mansions.

    Promises are absolutely worthless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    Climate has changed for millions of years and there is not one thing you or I can do about it. Get over yourself,

    Are you trying to be the new Greta, your post sounds like something she or her handlers would write.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    Bulls*it, no one can challenge it because it is a closed shop, you question anything regards green policy and your out, never to be of heard again plain and simple,

    David Bellamy questioned the great and the good, see what happened to him, never seen or heard from again.

    How do you know out of a matter of interest that there is an overwhelming majority who believe in all this hype because I'm not hearing it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,741 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    And you sound like you're just choosing to believe what you want so you can continue to suit yourself. Get over yourself and stop being so selfish, you live in a society. The "not one thing you or I can do about it" is not in line with the science, it's just horseshit people say to suit their own agenda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    Spare me the ''it's not in line with science bit'' its a long time ago since I was a schoolkid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,741 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    And that's why your opinion is worthless versus the opinions of people with relevant qualifications who didn't stop learning when they left school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,094 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    My ex doesn't believe in AGW, and neither do I. The climate may be changing, but it does that quite often, and man has never had anything to with it. The ex has 3 degrees and is a scientist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,741 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    And yet the vast majority of scientists are in agreement. Is your exes opinion worth more than scientific consensus? There are a few doctors who believe vaccines are dangerous. One of them, who was popular with the Whitehouse believed STDs were caused by sex with demons. Some people claim to believe bullshit, it's more a question of what their agenda is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭funkyzeit100


    Regardless of everything else, what you believe or don't, these taxation policies are not going to do diddly about it.


    If an asteroid was about to hit Ireland the government would simultaneously encourage the sale of umbrella's and impose an umbrella tax.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,464 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    No way around it COP26 has been a total and utter failure. Climb back into your private jets and leave the rest of us to enjoy our lives without being talked down to by this virtue signalling mob of idiots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,741 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    It's the government's solution to everything: Tax it. For some people, being hit in the pocket makes them resentful and belligerent. I'm not sure there's much else that can be done other than outright bans and making some behaviours illegal, and that would only piss these people off more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭funkyzeit100


    The first and most important thing is the recognition that these taxation schemes don't work and are seriously pissing off the population. You can't fix a problem unless you recognise it.


    Secondary, there are any areas that can be targeted. Locally, for example, there should be a push for positive incentives. Pay people to do things. Pay people to drop off recyclables, encourage with reward and so on.


    Internationally, the hammer should be dropped on the likes of China and USA. Tax THEM into oblivion and use that money to build up renewable energies for free here, to pay for recycling here.


    The whole thing needs to be untangled quickly because people are generally turning against good ideas because of terrible implementations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,094 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The vast majority of scientists believed, until quite recently, that ulcers were caused by excess stomach acid. It only took one to prove the majority wrong. An appeal to concensus of opinion in science indicates you dont know how things are supposed to work. The climate twerps have killed off science, which now shows traits of being a religion, with, people like you assuming and stating that all non adherents to the orthodoxy can only be idiots, even when they teach at a university and advise phd students, and clearly aren't, by all objective and accepted criteria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,741 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    China has managed to show how little they plan on doing before they've even left. But until we break our love for cheap Chinese manufacturing it won't make a difference because nobody will challenge them with any teeth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭funkyzeit100


    Well china is a prime example of bad implementation.


    Everyone knows they are an environmental disaster, the worst in the world. So when governments refuse to do the hard thing in dismantling them, and instead focus on taxing other people who'll have no effect on anything...that's how you piss people off, big time.


    Globalisation is THE environmental problem. It just so happens to be the root cause of a thousand other problems too, from housing to employment.


    To tackle globalisation, in this case china, it means giving people a target. A real tangible target, to stop buying their cheaply made crap, to incentivise industry back into local country's, fixing employment, logistic and environmental and sustainability issues in one fell swoop.


    If the likes of these climate conventions had a targeted message and realistic outcome, that didn't pussyfoot the real issues, respect would go up. Participation would go up.


    Dismantling globalisation, taking out it's poster child china, would solve a great many things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Local paper showed a map of areas at risk if the sea rises, they showed images of poldered land outside Letterkenny same area that flooded when the embankment failed in 1991, very lazy effort



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    I left school a long time ago and there are not too many days that I don't learn something new, no university back in my day unless your parents had a big farm or you were the local publican or shopkeeper and just sent off for show. Most of the smartest and successful people I know never went to university either.

    I grew up in a recession, emigrated in another, went through another and returned a few years before another and had to change careers a few times all the way, unlike these so-called scientists that never done a days work in their lives only in the pockets of whoever paid their wages.

    So I think I'm around long enough to call out this S*it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,741 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I don't know where to go with this that doesn't descend into the Yorkshireman sketch. I'm sure all those scientists will stop rolling around in all that money you're sure they have and get worried that they've been outed by someone's gut feeling.



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