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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Well if there so great why was I told by two plumbers and an engineer now that I think of it done bother. I was even considering a hybrid system.

    Told it was a money racket



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    A lot of the Green posters live with their mother and she pays the electric bill , they don't realise Ireland has the fourth highest unit cost in Europe ,Germany is currently number one at 30cent a unit, Ireland at 25cent a few months ago but likely higher now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Car manufacturers don't get to decide. Emissions regulations are set by governments and very few governments (and bodies like the EU) will allow new ICE sales post 2030 apart from very limited specialist vehicles

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Because they were trying to sell you something else?

    heat pumps work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Heat pumps work in reverse technology of a fridge. Do you remember those old fridges with the coil on the back. Same working principle only instead of drawing out heat. It draws in any ambient heat outside blows it over evaporater.

    The refrigerant evaporates is compressed by a compressor condensing it creating heat. Run through a heat exchanger and hey pressdo hot water.

    But not the near the same temp as fossil fuel burner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    What a burner with standard rads?

    Which is more expensive for installation so? Heats pumps work maybe on a smallish brand new build. Not retrofit unless its extreme. Like a totally gutted house or large houses will definitely need a backup heat source in cold winter months.

    Post edited by Mr. teddywinkles on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Electricity prices have gone up by 25 percent in 1 year. Your average heat pump uses 4,000 kW of electricity annually in prime conditions at about 30 cent per kw and this is only going one way as someone will have to pay for all these new offshore windfarms. I would hazard a guess that within 3 years a kw will be nearly 50 cent. That is nearly 2000 a year to heat your house. You can add another 500 to that if we get a very cold winter as well. I will gladly stick to my range and well insulated house. Costs a fraction of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    They'll be trying to fill the gap from lost motor tax and fuel revenues so probably a tiered bill, first 2000kwh at one rate and everything else at a much higher rate,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    What a ridiculous post!!

    you are trying to shame me for paying down debt owed on my house instead of putting me and my family into more debt to make minimal changes to my carbon footprint?

    Your talking pure crap!

    Do you honestly think I’m on my own in thinking this?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    More than likely but the fact electricity prices are going to go north will not encourage the installation of heat pumps or electric cars. The initial outlaw for them is huge and the long term inevitable rising of electricity prices makes it non sensical from a monetary point of view and generally that's what people look at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I have no idea why cop26 lasts so long and why the first agenda for all green leaders isn't developing more nuclear power, it's clearly logical, people have just become entrenched in their opposition. It's either that or they genuinely do not like economic growth and capitalism but I believe that is only a minority of hard core activists. Its like anything but nuclear. We are going to build expensive interconnects and pump water into magical reservoirs and double wind. We will build hundreds more turbines, we will mine all the lithium and cobalt, we will disrupt every skyline, we will have brown outs and black outs when the grid is unstable, we will lose economic investment, we will pay the highest price for energy and we will be dependent on geo politics for energy security. This is all preferable to a few small reactors of which there are many, running for decades in submarines and ice breakers. It's makes absolutely no sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    This is my worry. I’m in a category that would probably get a good grant to install a heat pump, but I’m very worried about whether I could afford to run it. When things are tough I only use the central heating for an hour in the evening, or not at all, and use a fire to just keep one room warm. Can you ration your use of a heat pump, am I wrong or do they have to be running all the time? Anyone I know with one has electricity bills that would be beyond me, and that was before the two price rises this year alone. I think I’d be better off putting in a second solid fuel stove.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,464 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    I have gas which costs <5c per kilowatt. Yet all the heat pump lemmings reckon it's much better to rely on electricity at c.20c per Kw and rising. No thanks. Those heat pumps are generally useless unless your house is built for them. A lot of people also don't realise the physical size and space you need for them. The outside fan unit is large but then inside you need a hot water cylinder which is much larger than existing boiler footprints. Where do they go in a standard house with a boiler in the kitchen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    And here you see the secondary effects, the average person will not buy a heat pump because they have no security on future costs. If you truly had a green agenda, you would support nuclear.


    The idea that you will get forced conformity is ridiculous, the people have the power you have to make it beneficial for them personally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Like this is it. I mean if ya cant even provide a secure steady supply which does not keep increasing in price.

    Yall have a hard time convincing people for a start not to talk of all the cost of retrofitting your home.

    They are living on their own planet.

    Maybe hydrogen fuel cells are the way to go for cars



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    I don't know why you are such a fan of heat pumps, but I suspect you have your reasons.

    And to compare heat pumps to electrification really shows your level of contempt for anyone that disagrees with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    And your post reflects the exact worries of 100's of thousands of people across the country,

    Are the costs going to keep increasing every year, will it get to a stage that I can't afford to keep it on, this is the reason this will never take off,

    Now if you were told that as more green energy and offshore wind turbines came online, the cost of electricity would come down. What would you say then?

    Bet you would seriously consider it then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭funkyzeit100


    Some of the worst polluters in the world didn't bother their arse turning up to that last summit, China in particular, that contributes double the pollution of it's nearest rival, USA.


    They're laughing at us as we trip over ourselves to impoverish each other fastest, while they're enriching themselves and ,hilariously, using that wealth disparity to buy up large swathes of our countries.


    A complete and utter course correction is needed here, there is zero chance this current approach is going to work economically, socially, governmentally or environmentally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    I would consider it then, but as it stands I’m not confident of that happening. Prices in this country tend to only go one way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    They are furiously working on some sort of last ditch wording to try and cover themselves because the whole thing has been a farce.

    The greenwashing PR people must have gotten zero sleep the last 24hrs or so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭funkyzeit100


    It's sickening, really. The perpetrators like china having a great laugh while our own children are encouraged to make their own lives worse.


    Misdirection, misappropriation, misalignment with reality.


    We are directly subsidising the quality of life of people a million miles away, the same very people who are profiting off pollution.


    Meanwhile, for example, the "special visa class" in Ireland is offered up to anyone in the world, but just so happens to be taken by 98% Chinese. That's our money they are using, to buy our property, in a housing crisis, while the government is nickel and diming us on everything, green policies included, to prop up the likes of China who pollutes the world with impunity. It's a circle of bullshaisse.


    Things need to change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,464 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Eh you're forgetting there that a kilowatt of electricity is much much more expensive than a kilowatt of gas. I use about 4,500 kW of gas a year at c.5c a unit = €225. 4,500 kW of electricity at c.20c = €900. So at a COP of 2 times my electricity bill would be €450 for heating at twice my current cost. While gas has a carbon tax the standing charge for electricity is much higher than the standing charge for gas to the point standing charge for gas plus carbon tax is less than the electricity standing charge.

    On another note a few years ago during the beast from the east we were without power for over a day due to snow/ice on power lines. Thankfully with the gas fire and gas hob we were warm and could cook a hot meal. In an all electric world we'd have been frozen with no way to make a hot meal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,063 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    how are our children being encouraged to make their lives worse?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭funkyzeit100


    By actively supporting policies that clearly will negatively impact their lives.


    They are used as a support structure to introduce taxation that makes zero sense, taxation that will make their parents poorer, and therefore themselves, their environment and their country.


    It's all a subsidisation for other countrys who don't give a damn about the environment in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,063 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    what sh1te is this!

    what polices will negatively impact their lives?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭funkyzeit100


    That "shyte" is the truth.


    Environmentalism = taxation in countries that can neither afford it nor have any impact on the world environment.


    Meanwhile, the countries that produce most of the pollution in the world take no heed and don't tax themselves.


    Ergo, we are subsidising polluters in far away lands at our expense, in order to achieve nothing.


    It's a system that bears no scrutiny. Another cash grab.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,063 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ffs, how do some get away with typing such sh1te!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭funkyzeit100


    So your counter argument against reality is...?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,063 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




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