Kidnapped female French jogger made up whole thing...

If it wasn't her chances are that there was some woman kidnapped like that, that may not have had the chance to escape. Fair play to her for highlighting some of the scenarios facing women.

ok... and if some woman had been kidnapped like that, with the police being alerted, but they were all out looking for the hoax? What about the decreased ability of the police in the region to combat other crimes (regardless of whether they were against women or men), due to the assets committed to looking for this idiot?

You really think her intention was to highlight some of the scenarios facing women?

You're going to some incredible lengths to excuse the stupidity and selfishness of this woman's hoax.

In addition to the idea that the possible dangers that exist for women are some kind of mystery, and/or hidden from the view of most people. I suspect most people would be aware of the possibility that something like this could happen to a woman (or to a man, for that matter).

If she'd held out for another day or two she could've got a #IBelieveHer going and we'd hear about how the cops everywhere are a disgrace for questioning people who claim to be the victims of crime, anyone who doubted her would be a woman hater and it would be evidence that Boards and the internet in general is just a cesspit of incels.

Women being considered devious creatures just for being women is also as old a story as you can find.

Give us some examples there when you can.

Yup, take criticism of mostly male posters as evidence of woman-hating. Sounds about right.

You quoted me so I assumed you were referring to my post. My bad.

How and ever it doesn't really detract from the fact that 200 cops were mobilised and all the rest and anyone who had any doubts would instantly be called a woman hater and a piece of **** by certain posters who are remarkably quiet on the thread.

Yeah in fairness that's just polarising shite. All men are not responsible for the behaviour of that woman's killer. And normal men changing their behaviour isn't going to stop dangerous predators from being dangerous predators.

See here's the problem, it apparently has to be black and white. Doubting someone's story (and I doubt everything I hear, from men, women, if it's about sport or politics or anything) is apparently ghastly but people who doubt a woman's story is called a woman hater instantly by a large cohort.

See the spiking thread. Don't automatically believe everyone who says they were spiked and it's because you hate women. Never mind that my dad and a mate have told me they think they were spiked, mate was 9 pints in when he forgets what happened. Dad was on medication and hadn't had a drink in a few years and after 4 was in bits. Do I think it's possible? Absolutely. Do I hate men because I don't automatically believe them? I don't think anyone is going to suggest that. However doubting a woman's story is ghastly.

Also this story was on the front page of the BBC all week and I was waiting for the clusterfuck thread well before the fact she was just a lying piece of **** came out.

I'm talking about the "what do you expect from those devious creatures women?" type views. That women, simply due to being women, can be expected to behave that way.

I know people can bullsh1t about being spiked, or absurdly believe it happened to them when they just consumed a stupid amount of drink. I also don't see anything wrong with "maybe they were, maybe they weren't" reasoning when it comes to sexual assault. My objection is to the flat-out "bullsh1t" comments.

Most men have had relationships with such women? That's a hell of a statement. And based on nothing other than your personal perspective, which can't be deemed the big picture.

As opposed to yours, which is somehow more accurate. and appropriate? 😂

As for it being based on my personal perspective, not really, since if you ever spend some time reading literature (online/offline) from men, a lot of those kind of impressions are repeated. (It's also born out in works of fiction, especially character driven plots, which tend to portray women as being deeper thinkers than men, with 'a lot more going on than the obvious' surface expressions.) Now, perhaps you'll think that worthy of being dismissed as a stereotype (you suggested as much earlier in the thread), but it does reflect the double standards when it comes to these kinds of topics. #IbelieveHer.

The metoo movement reinforced that same belief system in the modern sense, where claims of anonymous women were made and expected to be believed (and acted upon by the mob), without any formal investigations. That's not to say that the metoo movement was without merit, but it continued a previous trend of projecting guilt on to men, and the expectation that women's claims should always be believed, and accepted. The same impression of women being victims in society was reinforced, with men being made to pick up the responsibility in every possible situation (sometimes rightly so, but quite often, it wasn't the case)

Where am I "projecting the feelings/experiences of the minority of women"?

By your claim that most women would/should appreciate "the hurt of being sexually assaulted and reading such poisonous stuff". This is a common enough expression by female posters expecting other women to just understand... something that they themselves likely have not experienced themselves. And it is a minority of women (compared to the whole) who have experienced such firsthand. (unless you want to exaggerate and ignore crime statistics)

And whether the simplistic appeals or not, it's still dumb and lacking critical thinking.

I completely agree... it's indicative of the overall online movement with social media taking the leading position when these kind of topics are covered.

I didn't say anything about my personal perspective on relationships actually.

I didn't say you did... you, on the other hand, took what I said and sought to limit it to my personal experience.

I didn't project anything on anyone. I said it must be hurtful for those who have experienced sexual assault not to be believed. I think it's weird to take exception to such a comment.

I didn't take exception to a comment... I took exception to the wording of the comment and the context in which it was placed in the overall statement...

I actually have reservations about #metoo though - probably for the same reasons that you have. Such a movement can cause scope for a free-for-all and does a disservice to those who actually have been assaulted.

Agreed. Although, it's not really "can" but rather "did".

False allegations happen. All kinds of despicable behaviours by scummy people, male and female, happen. These people are a minority, not the norm, but the damage they do can be quite devastating.

What I'm wondering about is the way in your first post you phrased it as though people can't turn left or right for women ruining men's lives, as though this is a trait inherent in womanhood.