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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Wonder what the real unemployment rate of native Dubliners who can trace their ancestry back 4 or 5 generations is,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    I dont mind that. Your paying for labour in that so. Ya hardly expect them to work free of charge do ya.

    Ya wouldn't want to building a house direct labour. Yad have a heart attack. 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,464 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    €950 for labour to put down some attic insulation in a standard house!! Sorry but that's just ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,464 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Also found it wild that insulation rolls for the attic have 23% VAT on them. It's just all a nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    You do know radon causes cancer! What your saying is I’d prefer to have my house leak like a sieve to safe a few Bob on a radon barrier.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    I have to say one thing for you, you are truly green, I would say your blood is green at this stage.

    People of Dublin are been treated like fools for the last 20 years with delay after delay and fobbed off with this type of rubbish.

    Give them a few cycle lanes to keep them happy and shove everything so far out it will never be built.

    Time ye go some backbone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,622 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    In that case I`m sure you can tell me exactly how much revenue from this tax was collected for the years 2010 t0 2020 and exactly where it was spent.

    Ring fencing tax revenue from any source would not introduce any extra overheads or costs. Revenue have always recorded the taxes collected from any number of sources be that income tax, V.A.T. corporation tax etc. Carbon tax revenue would be no different. Simple matter to then record where and on what it is spent on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Where is all this energy going to come from to run Electric cars heat pumps for houses, our transport system.

    We will need a colossal amount to run all these into the future. Imagine trying to charge even1 million (2.2M as of 2021) cars up everyday and heat houses. The government are living in cloud cuckoo land. Even now we may suffer blackouts over the next few winters and we have f all Electric cars.

    Where's the plan Mehole, ah you don't care as you have a big fat pension.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,622 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If I was interested in your views on new petrol or diesel cars I would have asked. I didn`t and I`m not.

    I asked you a simple question on a number of occasions that you have attempted to avoid answering by waffling.

    Do you believe that this figure of 1 million electric cars on Irish road by 2030 is a reality or a fantasy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Freddie Mcinerney




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    A little radon does no harm. A lot of houses with no randon barriers have basically insignificant level. Even if a house has dangerous levels, the risk is more like smoking than say abebsos. Everyone benefits from good ventilation. Many don't benefit from retrofit radon barriers.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Where is all this energy going to come from to run Electric cars heat pumps for houses, our transport system.

    Same place it has always come from, the grid. We generate what we need and scale up the grid as demand increases. There are several GW worth of additional generation scheduled to come on stream ahead of 2030.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,138 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    So many of you are mean to Eamon Ryan that I can’t see him giving you handy council roles without competition



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Mullaghteelin


    Half of the country is most definitely not involved in farming! Perhaps it was 50 years ago but not any longer. Rural dwellers always seem to overestimate their importance to the country on these threads.

    Funnily enough, most of the country's fruit and veg is grown in north county Dublin. This contradicts the usual arguments I've often read that Dublin would somehow starve if it wasn't for the rest of the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    You beat me to it namloc😁. My house was built in 2004-05 so I'm facing exactly what you laid out in your post, but I think it will actually be more expensive as the heat pumps only work with an air tight house. Add in the two EVs my wife and I will need to commute as well......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    THe vast majority of people who live in rural one-off housing are NOT farmers, they are mostly people who work in the services sector, i.e. generally middle-class people who have some land gifted to them from family.

    Anyone who stands by and says one-off housing is 'fine' is just wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Isn't it good that the plan is to have these works done by 8 years time. The government isn't expecting everyone to suddenly drop everything, change their cars and rebuild their houses overnight, They are asking us to have the majority of it done by 2030

    If you and the other cranks on here had their way, we'd do absolutely nothing for the next 8 years and then we'd be in a much worse position, needing drastic cuts with no lead in time.

    It would have been much better if the building regulations had been better in 2004 when your house was built, but then people like you were arguing against that at the time too for some ridiculous reason or another.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,894 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I have given a view on what should be done. This is a forum for people to be allowed express views and opinions.

    It is not an interrogation chamber where posters can repeatedly harrass other posters with loaded pejorative questions unrelated to the points that they are making.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,894 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    People are using the cycle lanes all the time, the numbers of cyclists in Dublin is going up.

    Now I complain about the lycra brigade as much as anyone who think they own the road, and are a danger to themselves, other cyclists and pedestrians, but they are now becoming a small minority of cyclists as more and more ordinary people in Dublin are cycling in greater numbers. Even my local school has had to put in extra cycle parking as more kids are cycling to school.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You're right. Nobody plug in a hair dryer or the whole thing is going to collapse lol



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    There is no chance zero chance nada zip that these changes will be achieved by 2030. COP and these government targets are a talking shop to appease the green element whilst they keep the real people in charge (the fossil fuel industry, big business, the investment banks etc..) happy. Our grid is about to collapse for goodness sake 🤣

    Anyone who thinks we are getting anywhere near those targets is living in the clouds tripping on acid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,894 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Things will be worse the further we are from those targets. So if you think we are not going to make those targets, you should be redoubling your effort to reduce your personal carbon footprint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    Iv'e zero interest in reducing my carbon footprint as iv'e stated before. Nothing i do or this country does will make a jot of difference to save the human race and before you say it yes i am selfish but im honest enough to admit that. I like my comfy life thanks very much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,622 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Boards.ie is a discussion forum. It`s not a propaganda forum for posters to post whatever the feel like and have the expectation of it going unchallenged. The hint is in the provision of a reply function.

    You have been on here long enough to know that, so spare me the disingenuous "hit me know with the child in my arms" routine attempting to avoid a very simple question on the green policies you are such an ardent supporter of.

    It is the policy of the Irish Green party to have 1 million electric cars on Irish roads by 2030. Do you believe that is realistic, or just a fantasy ?

    I don`t see where the problem is for you in answering. I have already posted the average annual new car sales as well as the percentage of new electric cars sold this year which should make answering quite easy. It`s not as if the maths are that difficult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    I'm a "crank" now am I?? For not wanting to be saddled with tens of thousands of euro of debt? I never argued against any building requirements at the time either. You argument is tosh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭B2021M


    I've disagreed with you on a number of Covid threads but in full agreement with you on these issues! Nobody is allowed question the approach and no other view allowed in the media either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,894 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It depends on a lot of factors, and is impossible to know. How fast can the carmakers upscale production? Will demand increase as price of petrol goes up every year? Will the policy stay in place for that time? Will hydrogen cars offer an alternative?

    I think it is an extremely stretched target, but if we don't make it, we will need other mitigating measures. That could be putting the price of petrol so high that it discourages travel to the extent that it doesn't matter that we miss the target of electric vehicles because people are not using their old cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,894 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That's fine, like the people who are refusing to get vaccinated for no good reason, you will freeload on the work that the rest of us do to mitigate climate change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Eirgrid have released their plan which involves advancing offshore wind generation in the irish sea along with improvements to the transmission network and the interconnectors that we need with Europe and the UK

    There are competent agencies who have a responsibility to ensure our grid will cope, you don't need to keep asking this question over and over again.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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