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Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The irony of this post is stupefying.

    The post starts off with a statement that Varadkar lies, and then proceeds to tell a whole series of lies about the case masked as the poster's "beliefs". Unbelievable stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    There is proof that he is innocent of a crime because he has neither been charged or convicted of one.

    So call off the investigation :)

    He admitted to the act. Criminal or not, he did it. I expect to see many a fevered 'vindicated' should he be found not guilty of any criminality. It won't mean he didn't leak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Point out any iies please.

    I was responding to a claim with my opinion based on facts.

    The irony is you pretending to point out lies, while not actually doing so.

    I see you dropped the 'not private' lie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    No need to do so, the lie you repeatedly peddle about Varadkar leaking the document has been explained to you many many times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    We are reaching new heights of absurdity.

    There have been many public threats to political parties and governments over the years (your hero Paddy Cosgrave famously made one and was told to take a hike) and the government has and does respond to those by doing what is best for the country.

    Say Intel threatened tomorrow to pull out of Ireland tomorrow because FG politicians had objected to the expansion of their plant and Varadkar then went and met them and persuaded them to stay and the whole country breathed a sigh of relief, but you would be off down to the Garda station reporting Leo for corruption because he got a deal with Intel over the line for the pure reason of currying favour with the electorate and thus, try and secure reelection?

    What planet are you on? We elect politicians to do things that we want done. When they do them, they are not acting corruptly because what they do is in the public interest.

    "In the context of secrecy laws, a public interest defence is a defence that allows a defendant who disclosed classified or protected information to avoid criminality by establishing that the public interest in disclosure of the information outweighs the public interest in nondisclosure."

    Getting the deal done was in the public interest.



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  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fascinating..

    He has not admitted to a crime

    Repetition of yours or my non consequential opinion won't change that

    What you or I expect is immaterial

    I'm not going to be mean about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    So you are caught out lying again.

    You telling lies and my disagreeing with them is not lying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    He has not admitted to a crime, that we know of. He admitted to the act. Any criminality will be decided.

    He did the deed. Whether it was criminal or not is the only unknown. He confessed to the act.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Facts. The facts are - Varadkar is the subject of the criminal investigation, IE, he's at the centre of it. Are there reports/articles that he was interviewed by the NBCI as a "witness" anywhere?

    Quick question, let's say for arguments sake that he's (Varadkar) eventually charged*, do you think he'll be in court as a witness or as defendant?


    *I'm not in the slightest bit interested in whether or not you believe he will be, or won't be charged btw, we're just shooting the breeze here, and hypothetically discussing him being charged.

    What say you Maine, Witness/Defendant?



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You're only a defendant in a court of law Sir and that's after you are charged with something



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭M three


    Who is the last taoiseach/tanaiste to be the subject of a garda investigation?

    Bertie ahern?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Duh, well if my aunt was my uncle, your fascinating trips down rabbit holes might be interesting, but we are not dealing in hypotethicals, we are dealing in facts, allegations and speculations.

    FACT: Varadkar shared a document with another union leader

    ALLEGATIONS: This was illegal, this was corrupt, this was wrong, he benefitted from it.

    FACT: Varadkar was interviewed on foot of a complaint to Gardai

    SPECULATION: Varadkar is the subject of the Garda investigation, Varadkar is going to be charged, Varadkar will appear in court as a defendant, Varadkar will go to jail.

    Anyone who repeats allegations and speculations as truth (as more than a few are doing) are telling lies. The only truths are the facts as known.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    The only fact I'm dealing with at this stage blanch is, Varadkar IS currently the subject of a criminal investigation, IE he's not the WITNESS.

    Uncomfortable truth? Tough shît paddy. 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Have you a garda statement that confirms this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Fact: Varadkar leaked a private negotiation document with a rival union.

    It may have been criminal. The authorities are investigating it.

    Varadkar is under criminal investigation. He is the subject of the investigation.

    Who the hell do you think they are investigating regarding leaking the confidential document if not Varadkar?

    Opposing opinions based in facts are opinions. Just because they put the boy wonder in a bad light doesn't make them lies. We are all speculating here.

    You are creating false claims and allegations from the Leo Varadkar school of bluff. You'll no doubt post a slew of made up victory claims, with no quotes based on those lies.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    The fact is that Varadkar is under investigation so how the hell can he be a witness? When has it been stated that he is a witness? I have seen numerous stories in the media state he is under investigation. If you don't like that because it goes against your narrative tough ****.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is not a fact that Varadkar leaked a private negotiation document with a rival union, that is an allegation.

    They could be investigation O'Tuathail, but not Varadkar. Have you some insight into the Garda investigation? All you have is allegation and speculation that you present as truth, when the real truth is that you are lying about allegations being fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Getting back on topic, and away from the lie-peddling of allegations masquerading as facts, I missed this news article the other day.

    Our hero Paddy may have feet of clay, if that report is anyway accurate. Using company funds for private household benefit can lead to allegations of fraud and corruption and anything could follow from that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    No just numerous articles i can link to, I'd say though, given Varadkar has admitted to leaking the document (Or "inappropriately sharing it" if you wish to carryon down the route of flowery language), and the NBCI are investigating if he broke any laws in doing so, must surely be some mental gymnastics going on to conclude Varadkar is a witness to something Varadkar himself carried out.


    Do you think I come up the Foyle in a bubble the day before yesterday blanch? 🤣


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    You continue putting lipstick on a pig if putting lipstick on a pig makes you happy though. Don't let me stop you. 🤣



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You can be a witness, of course when you yourself are a part of the investigation

    Under investigation does not imply criminality even if its a criminal investigation

    It means you are part of an investigation, that is all it means and in this case voluntarily

    Nowhere in the media bar the village have you seen anything implied out of the reporting

    Thats respect for basic human rights and of course its corporate diligence

    Published Impuning of someone's character without proof is a No No

    Noone here is privy to the investigation

    Plenty attempts at pretentiousness in regard to it though



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,437 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Mask is beginning to slip here Blanch, you are correct .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Its a fact.

    He admitted it.

    He termed it differently but 'sharing' a confidential document without the permission of the parties involved is leaking. It wasn't his to 'share'.

    I have the facts that Varadkar did the leaking and the subject of the criminal investigation is Varadkar leaking the document.

    Who do you imagine? O'Tuathail is being investigated for receiving the document off Varadkar?

    You did read the articles I posted?

    You claimed people said he was going to jail so later you can claim they were wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭CDarby


    "Getting back on topic"?

    Have I stumbled into a different thread? I thought the "topic" of this thread was that of Leo Varadkar, and the story about him leaking confidential information, and that story being reported in the Village Magazine. The thread title would back up my assertion, I believe.

    The "topic" is not, that of Paddy Cosgrave (whom I for one never heard of before this story about Leo Varadkar btw, nor have an interest in either)

    Indeed, I would go so far as to suggest you are perhaps, trying to steer the thread off topic.

    Would you be trying to "shoot the messenger" by any chance blanch152?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭BKelly21


    The fly in your ointment of course is Leo is the focus of the investigation, he's the subject of it.

    Little bit different than this "when you yourself are a part of the investigation"

    I'd liken it to being described as "attending" a funeral while also being the corpse who's funeral it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,437 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    A tad off beam Bee, if you don’t mind me saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭BKelly21


    I don't mind at all Brendan, I've read various other comments of yours on this site in my time here, that one is certainly not up there with silliness (even if it is a "tad" vague).

    You do or say whatever makes you happy Brendan.



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've never denied he is the subject of the investigation

    After all It is he who the complaint was made about

    That'd be the fly in several of the posters on your side of this thread

    I merely pointed out that it carries no insinuations of guilt and continue to use the most accurate description of events so far,that he is a witness in an investigation around the complaint into whether a crime has been committed

    Certain quarters on your side of the thread seem to be using 'subject ' and 'criminal investigation' as pseudonym's for things you are not allowed say on here

    The reality though is they are not true in the absence of charges,trial and conviction

    I do get the Angst from those quarters, the hate,I see that's driving this urge for repetition of nothing new

    Obviously on this side of the thread Its not shared and hatred or injustice gets no empathy from me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    i don't think that him breaking the law is so much under question, as opposed to what level of the law he has broken/how severe.

    Varadkar, who has admitted he provided a copy of the document to Ó Tuathail when he was taoiseach, told gardai he did not realise his actions might constitute an offence but acknowledged the draft contract was marked “confidential”. He has rejected any suggestion that he had anything to gain personally from its disclosure.

    Ó Tuathail was also interviewed by gardai and is thought to have made certain admissions. Both men denied knowingly breaking any law.

    I don't think that will get him off the hook, but that isn't as serious as the law he 'rejected' breaking. - The one with personal gain. Looks like Leo in his bungling, thought he could give himself the authority to share confidential documents, but we all know that's illegal.

    So he is at best, too stupid to read the cabinet handbook. Which doesn't really sound like something that anyone should look for in a 'leader'.



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    Would you mind linking to where you took that quote from?

    you are making a statement of fact there that is not in it regarding the cabinet handbook and ergo criminality again



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭M three


    Are there actually people on this thread trying to minimise what varadkar did?

    Have yous no standards or what?

    No wonder this country is gone down the toilet along with FF/FG



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