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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭CutieD


    Why would you encourage people not to get tested if they are jabbed?


    The current public health guidance is isolate and test if you have symptoms.


    People who are vaccinated are still contracting the virus. I was reading another forum about peoples covid experiences after vaccinations and covid is appearing differently in everyone some with mild symptoms and others with a flu type of illness and bedridden and that can go on for a week or two or more.


    Why would you encourage people not to get tested if they have symptoms?


    Testing is the responsible thing to do to rule covid in or out one way or another.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Given that we’ve 4k cases a day and hospitals are dropping at the same rate we’d expect in a Level 5 lockdown, perhaps there are more people in the same boat as Ryan than we’re led to believe.

    ”I really want to go to COP26” is a great reason to have a 2nd test and subsequent denitrification



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭B2021M


    But he wasn't upfront. He said he was positive and couldn't travel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭CutieD


    Maybe he never wanted to go to Glasgow and he pulled a sick day using covid as an excuse in favour of staying at home to nap instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    The immediate reaction to this story is the tests are fake and he's getting special treatment and getting the result he wants to go to cop26.

    My point was there's probably more to it than that. And not everything involving a politician is a scandal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    That Eamon Ryan situation is so bizarre. If he had a weak positive the first time they should be re-testing before confirming the case imo. We don't seem to hear of many members of the public getting re-tested for that sorta thing, however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭B2021M


    I totally agree with you on the last point. It hasn't been communicated well though.

    Genuine question...how is the general accuracy of the tests determined?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    He’s a disgrace. I’d say the more likelihood is he was an asymptomatic spreader , And with the vaccine you can clear the virus faster from the system hence why the second test was negative. Or the person performing the second test did a piss poor job and only rub the swab on the outside. Either way it’s a disgrace



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    If he tested positive yesterday would that positive case be counted in today's numbers even though he has now tested negative?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There have been questions about the tests since day one..

    Dodgy test results with 80% asymptomatic have been the basis of the whole thing since the beginning..

    It will be ignored and the media will roll on with the daily numbers hysteria..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Apparently they've denotified the case. I don't know why they didn't re-test before notifying the case if there was doubt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 gabriellia


    How many hours after he tested positive did he take a retest?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Right, that's just weird.

    Having recently had similar experiences among family and friends.

    In fact one person I know tested positive, did an antigen from curiousity the next day and it came up negative, went back for another PCR with her kids and that was negative.

    When questioned, the HSE were adamant she must isolate as and from the positive test date, disregard the negative, and her kids must stay home for 17 days from the positive test.

    Why has Eamon Ryan not been given that advice?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,370 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    A few thousand no doubt to send him to Glasgow and back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭B2021M


    Maybe I shouldn't have been so adamant but it seems very common (but perhaps that's because you hear of those cases more).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,859 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    So the testing is unreliable and the vaccinations are temporary.


    good to know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭ElTel


    Is the same sample retested in these weakly positive situations and/or is a new swab taken as SOP?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    New swab I suspect?

    My sister also tested negative on Sunday but since her result didn't come through, she retested around Wed.The Wednesday result came back negative, but the Sunday one then showed and was positive.She is isolating anyway til next week.

    By Eamon Ryan's logic, she shouldn't be.

    Seriously questioning all of this now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭prunudo


    My understanding is that it would have counted in yesterday's figures but would be denotified at a later date.

    I don't buy that the HSE were proactive and contacted him as his test was flagged as having low viral load. The connected classes have outshone themselves throughout this pandemic so I don't believe its any different this time around.

    Not saying the hse never contact people, but in less than 24hrs over a weekend. Nah, I smell bs and favours being pulled. It took my neighbours 3 days to get their positive toddler retested, who then turned out to be negative.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Accuracy is represented as a measure of specificity and sensitivity.

    Specificity is how good the test is at detecting the virus and not reacting to anything else. As the test uses genetic material specific to sars-CoV-2, the specificity of the test is about 99%.

    Sensitivity is how good the test is at detecting the the virus when it is present, even at a low viral load. PCR is very good at detecting the virus in pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic people.

    The accuracy of a test is also highly dependent on how good the sample is. You need to collect a good quality swab. If you don't, anything after that is pointless. False negatives can occur if the sample was not collected correctly or compromised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭homenotaway


    'I don't buy that the HSE were proactive and contacted him as his test was flagged as having low viral load. The connected classes have outshone themselves throughout this pandemic so I don't believe its any different this time around.' - Pronudo


    Never a truer word was said 😕



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭B2021M




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Playing devils advocate here... as he was getting tested for the purpose of travel, rather then being symptomatic or a close contact, perhaps he used a private testing contractor and not the HSE.

    Actually no, scratch that! It was the HSE who advised him being retested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,859 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Ever since my kids first test ive had no faith in the testing.

    The alcohol wipe they used to clean his nose went further and for twice the time up the nose than the swap, and his throat wasnt swabbed.

    Had it come back positive i would have laughed.


    Ive heard of many positives that dont make sense since and negatives with symptoms of complete taste and smell gone.


    Ive no faith in the testing. Zero.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    This may be due to vaccinated people clearing the virus quicker than the unvaccinated, even if they had the same viral load.

    Vaccinated positive cases may test negative quicker post infection.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/covid-vaccine-effectiveness-infectious-fully-vaccinated-people-clear-virus-quicker-2021-8%3famp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭PhantomHat


    Cillian de Gascun has already stated on his twitter account way back in Sept 2020 that false positives range between 1 and 3%. Work it out for yourselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,406 ✭✭✭emo72


    Oh God, this is one of those things where he will really regret his actions here. He desperately wants to go to Scotland.

    This is another golf gate moment.

    Another zappone gate moment.

    One rule for us. One rule for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,859 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    He should never have been woken that time in the convention center.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Should be best of 3 surely.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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