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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭FFVII




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭Fazorb




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    "Analysts at JPMorgan have recently published a deep dive into the cryptocurrency space and renewed in their analysis their $146,000 per bitcoin price prediction in the long run, if the cryptocurrency’s volatility drops and institutional investors prefer BTC over gold."

    'Mr Dimon, call for you on line 1, it's your stupid daughter.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭FFVII


    Seen headline earlier same report said ether was gonna crash 67%.


    Nice number



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭FFVII




  • Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    For those outside the paywall, what's the overall message?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    I have slow internet so read a small bit really briefly and was a load of bull but didn't get to read it fully. Tried refreshing but since the page was already loaded it goes to pay wall really quickly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,344 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    They want to get into the crypto business but don't wanna pay the current price so spread fud



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭FFVII


    Stop the page loading really quick and you can read it.


    Bitcoin has no competition so price go up


    Ether has competition so price go down


    Really stellar reporting by that man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,529 ✭✭✭weemcd


    Don't listen to JP Morgan when it comes to crypto.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭BrandonBay86


    Where’s the Portuguese New Years $100k party going to be ? Algarve?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    JPMorgan analysts break down why they expect 67% downside for ether — and share how bitcoin can chart a path to $73,000 in 2022

    Kari McMahon

    16 hours ago





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    Photo Illustration by Omar Marques/SOPA Images/LightRocket via Getty Images

    • JPMorgan analysts released a new publication looking at the outlook for alternative investments.
    • This report gives outsiders insight into how the investment bank looks at digital assets.
    • They explain why ether has 67% downside right now and how bitcoin could reach over $100,000.

    Last week, JPMorgan released an inaugural issue of its new publication focusing on the outlook for alternatives investments ranging from real estate to private equity and digital assets.

    This research is the first time outsiders have been able to get a comprehensive look at how the investment bank sees the digital asset space.

    Previously, most of the analysis came from global markets strategy analyst Nikolaos Panigirtzoglou in his weekly flows and liquidity publication. This new report, which will come out every two to three months, will allow Panigritzoglou to go deeper into the market than he's previously done in his weekly reports.

    Panigritzoglou has become a well-respected voice in the crypto industry, thanks to his balanced views. He was recently featured on Insider's list of the 11 crypto masterminds helping Wall Street and clients navigate the digital asset space.

    His inaugural report, however, doesn't look so optimistic for the asset class, which is currently in the midst of a rally where ether, ethereum's native token, hit all-time highs and bitcoin trades just below record highs.

    "Digital assets are on a multi-year structural ascent, but the current entry point looks unattractive in our opinion for an investment horizon of 12 months as bitcoin appears to have returned to overbought territory," Panigirtzoglou said.

    This uptrend implies higher growth for the digital assets in coming years relative to other alternative asset classes, Panigritzoglou said. But in the short-term investors need to be aware of headwinds.

    "For an investment horizon of 12 months, we find the outlook for bitcoin and ethereum as challenging at the moment, not only from a valuation point of view, but also from our assessment that bitcoin has returned to overbought territory," Panigritzoglou said.

    Ether outlook

    Price appreciation looks particularly tricky for ether (ETH), which is currently trading around $4,500.

    At the time of JPMorgan's report, ether was around $4,100, well below its new all-time high of $4,668. It was also well-above the analysts evaluation of ether's fair value, which they believe is $1,500.

    The use for ethereum is the development of the Web 3.0 ecosystem, where data ownership is essential and activities are decentralized. These new decentralized applications can be built on the ethereum blockchain through the use of smart contracts.

    Taking this use case into consideration, the analysts used network activity to evaluate the fair value of ether. They found the effects were not strong enough to justify the current price point, given that many investors are pricing in a overly optimistic scenario of future network activity, likely based on the upcoming transition to ethereum 2.0.

    Ethereum 2.0 is the point at which the blockchain will move from a proof-of-work consensus model to a proof-of-stake model. This transition will make the network more environmentally friendly and cheaper to use. Ethereum's been plagued with slow transaction speeds and high fees.

    "Bitcoin is unique in terms of its perception of digital gold and faces no competition from other cryptocurrencies," Panigirtzoglou said. "Instead, ethereum's blockchain is facing stiff competition from current and new blockchains, which are effectively trying to replicate ethereum blockchain's functionality for smart contract, DeFi, NFTs and other applications. 

    "In turn, this creates the risk that the substantial increase in the ethereum network activity over the coming years embedded in the current price of $4,100 might not materialize."

    The analysts expect a downside of around 67% based on the fair value price.

    Bitcoin outlook

    The analysts have a more positive long-term outlook on bitcoin (BTC), when compared with ethereum. Over the long-term their price target is $146,000, with some caveats, and a short-term target of $73,000 for 2022.

    This view is based on volatility and bitcoin's ability to operate as digital gold. Bitcoin has similar qualities to gold, in that it has a finite supply and no central ownership.

    In recent months, gold has failed to respond to heightened concerns over inflation, Panigirtzoglou said. At the same time, investors have had a renewed interest in bitcoin as an inflation hedge.

    "Considering how big the financial investment into gold is, any such crowding out of gold as an 'alternative 'currency implies big upside for bitcoin over the long term," Panigirtzoglou said.

    But this upside is based on the idea that volatility of bitcoin can converge to that of gold over the long term.

    Institutional investors look at each asset class based on the risk capital. Currently, bitcoin exceeds that of gold in terms of risk capital, however if it were to become less volatile, more institutional investors might look to adopt bitcoin.

    "A convergence in volatilities between bitcoin and gold is unlikely to happen quickly and is in our mind a multiyear process," Panigirtzoglou said. This implies that the above $146k theoretical bitcoin price target should be considered as a long-term target, and thus an unsustainable price target for the near term."

    Bitcoin's volatility relative to that of gold peaked at six times in the second quarter of this year, but has since slowed to around four to five times. If volatility could continue to subside to around two times, then bitcoin's fair value could increase to $73,000 in 2022.

    "Assuming a stable bitcoin share of 45% in the total crypto market, this implies upside potential of around 15% for digital assets over the coming year," Panigirtzoglou said.

    However if volatility should pick up again, the outlook is less optimistic.

    "In our opinion, unless bitcoin volatility subsides quickly from here, a price level of close to $35k should be considered as fair value at current levels of volatility," Panigirtzoglou said. 

    Get the latest JPM stock price here.

    Check out: Personal Finance Insider's picks for best cryptocurrency exchanges



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭BrandonBay86


    JP Morgan have never once made a correct call about Bitcoin so not sure why it would be any different this time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    The big question now is, which metaverse to invest in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭FFVII




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    It's mad the way they're selling NFT's and virtual land before the games are even released. I was looking at one website where people were paying thousands for virtual cars. What's even more crazy is that people will be able to race for pink slips.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭FFVII




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Noting to see here BTC and ETH at new ATH's.

    Only noticed when I was reading about SOL




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,344 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Need to update Kraken App. I have changed the date on my phone a few times recently for other apps, and it seems to be fecking about with Kraken app. It was showing as €57,459 but realising that it's only on it's way past €56k.

    That is from Oct 20th iirc. I just glanced at it, as I was more concerned about SOL.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,795 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    He must have seen the news via Internet Explorer 😆



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,344 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    That SOL link seems to have a lot of ADA and HEX followers...hmmm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    Why is Coinbase's BTC-EUR price lower than Binances?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    What goes up must come down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,344 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Looks pretty much the same to me - they're not gonna follow each other to the decimal every second



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    I have both open side by side and Binance is 200 euro more.



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