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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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    #19262
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,702 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114696#Comment_118114696

    So how do you form your opinions then?

    I think it's safe to say that your statement is true ,of most , including ourselves

    Some people are more informed in certain areas so would have strong opinions in those areas . Doesn't mean they are wrong or right .

    If I have questions about finance I will ask someone who works and knows about that area . If I have a query about plumbing I will ask plumber or an engineer. About education, a teacher , or a student .

    Or I will read up about it.. watch something about it ...read an article in a newspaper or two . But my understanding of maths and plumbing is definitely not as good as my knowledge of biology or human health so I could be reading and reading and never understand it .

    Surely the best people to advise about public health are public health doctors and GPs ,whether we agree with everything they say or not .

    Governments everywhere use media to gauge public opinion and to get the message out that they feel is necessary to disseminate .

    It's not just our government behaving this way ,and it's not a new phenomenon .



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    #19263
    [Deleted User]
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    NPHET’s stance on children and schools is beyond me. Can anyone explain why they are saying things contrary to other Covid bodies across the world, and seemingly against all evidence



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    #19264
    Nyero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭Nyero


    I see antigen Nolan is now saying if we planned on having 15-20 contacts next week we should nowreduce it to 8-10.

    Some waster.



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    #19265
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,321 ✭✭✭jackboy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115300#Comment_118115300

    Because it would be too controversial to admit they are going for the herd immunity approach in the primary schools. A lot of people here believe that they are incompetent and don’t understand the science, but I don’t buy that.



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    #19266
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114251#Comment_118114251

    Well the CDC recently published data showing that rate of death in children from Covid is higher than the pre-vaccine deaths rates of Hep A, Meningococcal meningitis, Chicken Pox, Rubella and Rotavirus combined. Yes severe disease is still very rare in children but it isn't negligible.

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    #19267
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,211 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115409#Comment_118115409

    Those other diseases left life changing issues for many children who survived them. Some led to birth defects if expectant mothers contracted them. Vaccinations wasn't purely due to or to prevent deaths.

    Post edited by Jim_Hodge on


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    #19268
    bokale
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114646#Comment_118114646

    Yeah. It blows my mind how many people herw listen to Joe Duffy, Claire Byrne and pat kenny.

    Please stop listening to that nonsense and linking to nonsense click bait articles here.



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    #19269
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115300#Comment_118115300

    Everybody knows they are bullshiting. Nolan and Gynn are starting to look like a comical ali duo act at the briefings now.

    We understand the kids need to be in school, and parents, while obviously not thrilled about it, do except the risk. But the policy undertaken to just flat out lie about the safety is really starting to have a detrimental effect on the overall message.

    They should be focusing on public health. Instead they're playing politics, and in the process losing the peoples trust.



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    #19270
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    What level are we at now in the living with Covid plan?



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    #19271
    funnydoggy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115788#Comment_118115788

    Somewhere between honeycomb and marbles



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    #19272
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115790#Comment_118115790

    I edited but was tempted to leave as is



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    #19273
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,702 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115764#Comment_118115764

    I agree there. Thing is, the parents of the children of school going age are the targets for this , as the government want them back working in the offices ,businesses , and they can't do that if they are spending days off every few weeks getting PCR tests and getting children tested as evidenced by some here who have had issues .

    So they would have been head on with Leo and MM over this . Again this was led by government and acceded to by NPHET when contact tracing in schools was stopped.

    Would the situation have been better to continue to inform close contacts , and antigen test them if no symptoms, daily ?

    If positive , pcr and isolate but for a shorter period?

    If symptomatic usual, pcr , and isolate as normal

    It might not have been perfect but at least people would know where they stood and cases in this age group would surely have been controlled ,along with the onward spread that nobody believes is happening👀



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    #19274
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115830#Comment_118115830

    The allergy to antigen testing has been a serious blind spot by the CMO. Classic case of perfect being the enemy of the good.



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    #19275
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,096 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115409#Comment_118115409

    I've pointed this out to a few posters but they just cover their eyes and ears shouting "lalala i can't hear you".



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    #19276
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115842#Comment_118115842

    What is the recommendation now in terms of vaccination of children?



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    #19277
    Goldengirl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115868#Comment_118115868

    Not here as of yet

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40732803.html



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    #19278
    CutieD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭CutieD


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115321#Comment_118115321

    It makes sense. I was at a fun over the bank holiday weekend. Somebody turned up with a dose and symptoms. Many of us who sat at the same table as the person coughing, came down with the same dose. 5 people came down with the same dose. I tested and my results came back as not detected. It shows how easy it is for this thing to spread. All it takes is for one person with symptoms and coughing to mix with others and show symptoms coughing and sneezing for others to contract an infection.


    I would like to hear from Irish GPS what they are experiencing with their patients and how covid displays after vaccinations with their patients? I was reading a different forum and covid is different for everyone. Some people have no symptoms and others cold like symptoms and others have full blown flu illness for weeks. If a flu type of sickness is common, some suppression will have to happen.



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    #19279
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,702 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115837#Comment_118115837

    Yes , at this stage knocking out 6 out of 10 asymptomatic infections would be a good thing ,you would think.

    But I see where they were coming from pre vaccination. Too much risk in people getting false negatives and the possibility of infecting vulnerable or older people, whence had zero protection .



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    #19280
    Nyero
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115901#Comment_118115901

    To be honest I find it pointless asking people to cut down contacts when just over a week ago we went from 1 table of 6 in a pub to multiple tables of 10. Also nightclubs, and 1500 standing indoors.

    Holohan said today no new public health measures are being considered.

    Yet antigen Nolan is telling us cut contacts by 50%

    It's no wonder people have tuned out.



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    #19281
    Deeper Blue
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115946#Comment_118115946

    This is exactly why these NPHET press conferences/radio appearances/Twitter pontificating should've been nipped in the bud ages ago. Leave the advice to the government.



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    #19282
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115321#Comment_118115321

    I find this stuff bizarre. Do the college lecturers and HSE employees really believe that people ‘plan’ and ‘ration’ their contacts? It’s a bizarre notion, one that reeks of a massive lack of understanding of human life and social behaviours. Yes we all plan our weeks and decide to take 7 contacts this week

    Do they have no behavioural experts etc in their to give Nolan a tap on the shoulder and stop him waffling about this stuff?



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    #19283
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118116079#Comment_118116079

    "Let them eat cake" was more in touch with the people, we all know how that ended.



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    #19284
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114456#Comment_118114456

    Sounds like a special edition corona virus shaped Chickatee

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    #19285
    Spudman_20000
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115842#Comment_118115842

    66 deaths "associated" with Covid out of 22 million kids.



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    #19286
    Nyero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭Nyero


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118116079#Comment_118116079

    It's coming from irelands biggest media whore antigen Nolan.

    Absolutely having the time of miserable life feeding the RTE led media frenzy.

    Almost every bit of spoof he spits out is broadcast by RTE and they never question him.

    You turn on BBC or Sky news and you never see anything like this.

    Yet the NPHET defenders on here think it's normal.



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    #19287
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115178#Comment_118115178

    So because children ‘transmit’ Covid as you claim from these studies - they should be barred from indoor sports if they don’t take a vaccine for a disease that’s less of a threat to them than flu, RSV and other seasonal viruses? And while the older & vulnerable are now boosted?



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    #19288
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,455 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118116079#Comment_118116079

    Exactly what we said here last night ! My brother might pop in for something or my friend might ask me to come over for coffee . I might see a neighbour and do some shopping for her etc . I dont plan it ahead and count my contacts every Friday for the next week !



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    #19289
    the corpo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118116476#Comment_118116476

    Absolutely not. My point is I'm tired of everyone saying children aren't a factor, and not putting in place mitigation factors that would allow such things to safely operate. The science is there, it's baffling it's continually ignored.



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    #19290
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    The vaccines have worked. Thousands of cases a day and less than 100 in ICU.

    All we need to do now is get back to normal and keep the boosters coming for those that need them.

    But the political and societal will to return to normal just isn’t there. The media and the experts are dying to keep it going for their own agendas.

    They have created a narrative to terrify the public with plenty now wanting to live a life with restrictions and even talking of kiddies wearing masks.


    We could really do with a huge crash or some other major crisis to forget about this nonsense.



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    #19291
    the corpo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭the corpo


    A huge problem has always been how slow NPHET/Government has been to react to the science. Jack Lambert of the Mater was on last night, saying his last vaccine dose was in January, yet he's on the front line everyday, and calling for scientists to be on NPHET rather than advisory groups that can take months to report back.

    Case in point, NPHET saying vaccine efficiency wanes to 75% after 6 months, but the Lancet is reporting it drops to a little over 50% after just 4 months. That's a huge lag in evidence for NPHET/Government to be basing recommendations on.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02183-8/fulltext



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