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Does anyone have an electric bike?

  • 31-10-2021 9:54pm
    #1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭


    What are they like? Is there much difference than a regular bike and an e-bike? How far can you go?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭8valve


    Lots of info on the net.

    Here's the main points...

    E-bikes (the legal ones) here in ireland are classed as ''pedal-assisted'' cycles i.e. the motor won't kick in unless you are pedalling; this prevents them from being classed as self-powered motor driven bikes (mo-peds) under current Irish law.

    The above are also limited to 250w motor output and a max assisted speed of 25kmh i.e.the motor stops helping at speeds above 25kmh.

    There is a trade-off between power used and range; run the bike at max power assistance, and it won't reach the range quoted online/in brochures; this is much the same as the old car ads that advertised ''XXmpg''....that figure is based on a car, with over inflated tyres, in a chamber without any wind resistance, with a dribble of fuel in the tank....and the skinniest test driver possible!

    Spend at least €1500 to get something with decent range between charges (80+kms).

    Buy from a bike shop that knows about what they are selling.....not a chain store.

    Buy from a bike shop that can deal with any warranty issues; most reputable ones have, at this stage, at least one employee who has received specialized training in fixing e-bikes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Have to say the Idea of an electric Bike is becoming more and more appealing with costs of running a car. I know not suitable for everyone but for me, I'm doing less than 2km a year, diesel car, live quite rural ,main shopping town 19km but roads good. Its downhill there, uphill back (live in the Slieve Bloom mountains.

    @8valve makes excellent points, my own worry is servicing .I've done a little research and locally electric bikes up around the 2.5 / 3k Mark, on recommendations have looked at rad bikes (online) and they offer excellent value, I know opinions differ and of course you'll pay for Quality, Specs, Brand but have to say I'm 90% committed to taking the plunge in early 2022 😏 will just maybe have to talk nicely to neighbours when weather not so good 😁

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,256 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Ya I have one. 800w but controller is gone so must try to fix. It was a kit from China I bought years ago, BLDC motor in rear hub. Have a 10ah lithium battery which I will put another one in parallel with after I fix it. Kit cost about 300 and the battery I have just under 200, though batteries might be cheaper now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,721 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Both my parents have one, and absolutely love them.

    Personally think they’re fantastic, especially in terms of getting people who wouldn’t be the fittest or most keen on getting on the bike (for example my ma who hadn’t ridden a bike in 20/30 years now cycles her radbike 6km each way into work).

    They make a huge difference in terms of effort, particularly if there’s any hills, but it’s not completely sailing along, you do still need to pedal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Lovely story and good to hear good feed back on radbikes 😏 I'm in the category of needing more exercise and have not been on a bicycle in over 30 years, I'll need a little practice 😁

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    my wife has one, a cube touring. it's great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Actually met to gentleman recently in my village, regular cyclists around the slieve Blooms were I live, both had Cube bikes and my god, they are impressive looking bikes.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    Any cycling is better than no cycling so go for it, great story from Squidgy aswell that's the real benefit of them, although the first time an oldie flew past me on my push bike i was concerned until i realized they were on one of these bikes !



  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭Vidcon


    I ordered a rad bike in august and it's due to be delivered this Friday. They moved warehouse recently and are still backlogged so don't expect a quick delivery if you are thinking of ordering a rad bike.

    Tried a few different ones locally but the prices of similar spec bikes were more than I was willing to spend.

    I live at the top of a nightmare hill and have had multiple knee surgeries so I'm hopeful the electric bike will reduce the knee pain and damage.

    I'll report back after it arrives



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Please do report back, I've seen there's a backlog but at least they are very transparent about this and pre orders etc 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    we got lucky - our local bike shop had this bike 'returned' to them by someone who had bought it last christmas but due to health issues had to give up cycling. only 261 miles on the clock; we paid handsomely enough for it but it's in excellent nick and it was there and available, and the right size.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭mailforkev


    Got a VanMoof at the start of Jan.

    Have put over 1,500 km on it so far, mostly just cycling around my local area but with a few commuter trips into the city (the actual reason I got it, naively thinking back when I ordered it that I'd be long back in the office by now).

    Every kilometre that I do on it is one that I would have either driven, got a bus or DART, or just not done at all. For me, it hasn't replaced a regular bike, it has mostly replaced my second car. I wasn't a cyclist previously. For me there have been no downsides, only benefits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    That a lucky find 😏 actually spoke to the nearest dealer in my nearest town, they rarely get 2nd hand or returns but they've my details . Great shop and staff but the cheapest they have (can't recall the brand ) was around €2900, a little saucy for me but they've offered to assist in servicing repairs etc if I go the online route so that's good to know.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 966 ✭✭✭oinkely


    I'd suggest that you also budget for decent rain gear - jacket, gloves, overshoes or waterproof boots and trousers. Get some decent lightweight ones and you won't need to rely on the neighbours at all, except on icy days! Full length mudguards and decent rain gear and you will be fine on even the wettest days. Also, decent lights, but a lot of ebikes seem to have them built in. You won'r regret it anyway. I'd be getting one instead of our tiny second car if the kids were a bit bigger. Though to be fair, the tiny car is electric so better than most for tootling around and costs almost nothing to run aside from the insurance. When it's just me and the wife i'll be shifting the second car and going full time bike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Absolutely, funny enough I was actually thinking about rain/weather gear before the Bike 😁. My plan is to keep my car albeit very low milage annually, aim for the Bike around March next year and gradually wind down the need for the car (Hopefully)

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭novarock


    I've been commuting 18km each way for over a year now, 8000km up on an e-bike..

    Saved a lot of time sitting on buses and on fuel for the car.

    If you are getting one, as above make sure you buy from a reputable place, if its not specced correctly or a cheaper model you can end up with brakes that aren't properly able to stop the bike, or wheels that are fine on a regular bike that aren't able to deal with the added force of the motor - broken spokes etc..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Fair play, that's some going, almost identical to the distances I'll be travelling, albeit more rural so to speak 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    I have an electric bike I got about six months ago - and it's hands down the best thing I ever spent money on!

    Not sure I'd be using it to replace a car if I lived up a mountain, mind you.....

    I did have a real bike until about 2 years ago, and didn't use it as much as I should have because it was usually just too much like hard work to get home. I don't cycle for fitness, I cycle to get from A to B.

    The battery just takes all the pain out of cycling now - if I'm against the wind, or uphill, or both, just boost the power and Bob's yer uncle!

    The rest of the time, I keep it at minimum assistance so I'm still actually cycling and getting a bit of exercise.

    I live in the city and mostly only tootle around the place, so I got basically a commuter bike that I'll never break any land-speed records on - it's a folding one with only 7 hub gears - if I was buying again, I'd probably go for a normal hybrid-style, but this one suits just grand for now.

    I did rent a monster electric mountain bike away on holidays recently to tour an island, and it was an absolute beast of a thing! Fantastic fun!!

    I honestly couldn't recommend the e-bike experience highly enough - I'd say my car use has dropped by a third, and for one particular journey I regularly make which could take anywhere from 10 minutes to 45 in the car depending on traffic levels, it's a guaranteed 20 mins (15 if I hoof it) door to door, which is another great advantage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Thanks and I hear you re replacing a car. Honestly if I had kids, family etc I wouldn't for a second consider getting rid of a car . I guess looking back over the past 2 years of restrictions etc really opened my eyes. I literally did around 1300km last year, forked out nearly €500 for annual servicing , motor tax, insurance etc . But your right, I'll take my time re abandoning car all together

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    I bought a Himo Z20 recently and use it for a 20km round trip commute to work. I'm only in office 1 or 2 days a week but loving it so far. I plan to eventually sell our second car as it gets such little use at this stage. I've been lucky so far in terms of not needing wet gear but will definitely invest in some soon. E-bike is great in that I'm not sweaty at all going in to work and then can still get some exercise on the way home.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Just looked up that model , looks great. I've wondered about the Electric Bikes with smaller wheels as an option. I'd imagine easier to use , particularly in built areas. I've just honed in on the larger wheel model's.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    I would disagree about smaller wheels being easier to cycle - they're incredibly twitchy.

    Mine has smaller wheels, but has a spring "damper" on the front wheel that steadies the steering, so it cycles like a full-size bike - I tried a few of the other folding bikes with small wheels and I found them fairly lethal!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Thank you, I just assumed they might be easier to control etc , my personal preference would be the larger wheel models 🚲😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    I never even considered the wheel size to be honest. Just that it would have the range for my commute and be comfortable. The fact it folds is handy also as it takes up less space in a hallway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,937 ✭✭✭dingding


    Got an ebike about 5 years ago, a folding one so it fits in the boot of the car. It is great for hills and really smooths them out. This year I got a second battery which gives me more range.

    I got it from a crowd called EasyMotion in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,011 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    Just curious about the part where you say the motor stops assisting at speeds over 25km/h. Does that mean that if you wish to travel at 30km/h you have to do all the work or does the motor still assist? Sorry if it sounds like a stupid question - I have no experience of e bikes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    You have to do all the work, however depending on the motor the cut off can be smooth and the transition to 100% own power is gradual so it's fairly seamless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭8valve


    if you can cycle a heavy ebike at 30kmh.......maybe you don't need an ebike!! :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭Minier81


    I got an ebike a few months ago. Work is 15km away from home and invoked crossing Dublin City centre. I LOVE it, no regrets. No more jelly legs, it's like cycling on the flat all the time. If the battery runs out you would feel the weight of the bike. I get about 60km per charge but I fairly liberally use the higher levels of assistance. Mine is a Raleigh Motus and it cost 2,350€, thankfully bike to work scheme helped with some of that.



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    How durable is it proving to be? I like both the Z20 and C20 and they are so cheap compared to some of the bikes being referenced here.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i took my wife's one for a spin and was thinking 'good god, this is much more work than the hype made me believe it would be' and then realised the speedo was reading 17mph; so i'd managed to go out of motor assist without realising it and was cycling a 25Kg+ bike under my own steam.


    a caveat i've heard is that they can eat chains because the rider can just pedal along at low cadence and let the motor do all the work, and i wouldn't fancy changing a rear tube on one in the event of a puncture. i've had to reseat the chain on the chainring after it jumped off - i think the motor can divorce you from the sensation of changing gear under load, which can make it more likely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    No issues so far. It's good build quality, weighs 20kg with the battery in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭novarock


    I'm having to change chains every 2500km or so - due to stretching.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i think i heard you can get heavier duty chains for e-bikes; what sort of cadence are you doing?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    I change my normal bike chains at 2,000-2,500km (I know with regular cleaning and care people get 2-3 times this, but they're relatively inexpensive compared cassettes and chainrings) I've had 2-3 chainrings replaced in the past so I just try change them between 2-2.5k as it's easier than changing a €50-60 chainring and/or cassette.

    I've read people with mid drive ebikes going through chains after 1,000km so I have a chain stretch tool now, try clean it more regularly and have several €18 chains sitting by. Admittedly I haven't ridden my ebike much in the last 3 months though so not doing big mileage!

    Edit: quoted wrong post, can't delete or change quote on this bloody site...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭jon1981


    I'd be a decent enough cyclist and own a few road bikes. I bought an eBike for just scooting around the area, dropping the kids off to the creche with a trailer, doing a short commute (8km) into the office ...etc. Basically when I don't want to break a sweat.

    I received my new ebike during the week and took her up Howth head in Dublin, inclines up to about 9% in sections. Here's my experience of it.

    So firstly the bike is limited to 25km/h, it has a mid drive motor and has levels of assist (eco, normal, high), the top level provides 200% power assistance on top of what you're putting through the pedals, torque of 60nm. The bike weights 17kg which isn't light, but it's light for an ebike. The bike is a 1x crank with 9 gears. The gear range is ok.

    Anyway I took it out in high assist mode and along the coast from Clontarf. The moment you start pedalling you can feel the bike accelerating with greater effort than you're putting in. On the flats i got to 25km/h with a 3-4 seconds. The computer on the bike has power bar which indicates how much "help" you're getting at any point in time. The motor does cut out at 25km/h. So when you go above 25km/h you're effectively on your own. This is fine, normally when I'm going above this I was on a slight decline so you're not really working much.

    I then took it up Howth, Sutton side up by the graveyard. I was wearing jeans, jumper and a jacket for my sweat test :) ... On a road bike at best on the steepest sections I might average about 16-18kph depending on the day. On the ebike i was consistently around 20-21kph and it felt like I was just riding on a flat surface, so it really does flatten the road. The nice thing about the gears and a mid drive is you have full assistance of the motor across every gear, which you don't get with a van moof or something like it, so you have alot more options. I got to the top of Howth head easily, without sweating or huffing puffing staying well under 25kph. The total trip was 23km and i used about 20% of the battery apparently.

    I have to say it's a great bike and it really fills a niche for me. I won't be using it for exercise, still a road bike enthusiast, it's really for the times when I need the convenience. Like hauling a kids trailer up some hills twice a day on the creche drop!


    btw this is the bike I got

    https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ie/en/vitus-mach-electric-bike-2021/rp-prod195707

    J



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,803 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Changing the rear tube on a bakfiets out on the road would be a huge deal too, but I've never had to do it. I just patch it in situ. I put the bike on its stand, pop the tube out the non-drive side, find the leak and patch it. I think it's what people used to do when three-speed roadsters were the standard bike too.

    Another option is to get the inner tubes like this:

    I've heard they puncture more often, due to friction at the ends or something like that, but they are much easier to get on and off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭6541


    Hi All,


    Anyone know what is # 1 the best commuting ebike that one can buy ? # 2 What is the best ebike in the 1000 / 1500 bracket ?

    Also do you think they are prone to getting robbed more, if left hitched to street furniture ?


    Thanks,

    6541



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭jon1981


    1) Is too subjective. The range is vast and varied. Best to look at from point of view of the requirements and research the bikes that fit those requirements. What drive type you require, is torque important to you, what daily km range would you cover, do you need gearing, is the commute hilly, do you want a throttle...etc.

    There are options in the 1k-1.5k ... Radbikes seem to be the obvious popular choice from what I see around town.


    Regarding theft, any bike is a target in town. Nicer bikes will catch the eye. Make it less attractive to rob, lock it well, take the battery and control computer with you if possible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Quick question if I may, are Batteries, controllers generally easy to remove, would this be something mentioned when looking at a purchase, catalogue etc, it's one concern I'd personally have for reasons you've mentioned , thanks 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭jon1981


    Most ebikes have removable batteries, which are locked to the frame with a key, however they do come in different shapes and sizes. So while it might be possible to remove, it might not be practical to carry around with you. This is my battey. It weighs 2.5kg.


    The controller clips off like any bike computer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Thanks so much, appreciate that. My own plan is to use an ebike for 2 weekly trips (19km Each way) for shopping, other than that, more local, mountain trails etc during the week so no concerns re theft (hopefully 😁) . I was just concerned about the shopping trips but in fairness both locations reasonably well covered by CCTV.

    Thanks again

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭jon1981


    Yeah the key is just making the bike a pain to rob quickly. I'd favour a decent chain and padlock over a U-Lock. With the latter thieves will wreck the bike trying to get it by using the bike as a lever to snap the U-Lock.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    We have two. I have a Specialized Turbo Vado 4.0 for my 25km commute to work. We also have an Urban Arrow cargo bike for the school run.

    The Specialized is great. I can get to work in about an hour and it’s faster than the bus or the car during rush hour. So instead of sitting on the M50 I have a nice segment through the Phoenix Park. The only downside to the long commute is the absolute psychopaths you encounter who can’t drive.

    The cargo bike is great for the school run. The school is only 3km away which is too far to walk and too close to drive. We can be in and out before most find a footpath to abandon their SUV on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭jon1981


    Out of interest what tyres are you running on the Vado?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    The ones it came with. Trigger something Sport, Blackbelt.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    I think Santa might bring me a bike this year. I honestly have no idea about e-bikes. I guess I'm looking at something that can go long distance like 20 miles one way and 20 miles back again. Is there such a thing with a bike that can go that kind of distance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭jon1981


    TBH that range is pretty much satisfied by most ebikes on the market. If you're looking to do that range on pure throttle alone you'll probably need to do research but most pedal assisted ebikes will do that range minimum.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    I think most ebikes should manage 60-100km range, the 250wh battery in my bike is considered 'small' but I get 80-100km in full power mode which ramps up immediately and I'm a big lad which would reduce range.

    Depends on your fitness too. Anyone with a base level of fitness should be able to cycle above 25kph so the motor wouldn't be on constantly. If you're not facing lots of hills or regular red lights that range would only increase.



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