Climate Bolloxolgy.

No, I've set out my basis for refuting that claim. Are you saying Teagasc make that calculation some other way? Because they don't.

If you are a farmer, then I can understand that every second business you have dealings with depends on agricultural activities.

But mostly, overwhelmingly in fact, farming households depend on off-farm activities for their income. They earn more from PAYE jobs than they do from farming activities. (And you know damn well those PAYE jobs aren't overwhelmingly in agricultural businesses.)

If you are that much in tune with rural Ireland, you'll know rural people very much want people to know there's more to rural economy than farming.

Sure, haven't I already said that if international tax changes crash FDI, and all we had was our earnings from agriculture, we might as well emigrate to Bulgaria. By boat, if necessary.

Posted by a vegan 🤣🤣🤣 but like for god's sake the guardian ffs even the dogs know that's full of **** as is the river .... human ****

Because the wind always blows, right.

Yeah Amazon making more money fizzles down to everyone.

Ever check out how old Jeff looks after a lot of his own employees ?

WTF...

Some Irish people managed to get a job with a FDI tax dodging multinational and they have lost the run of themselves and actually believe we own these fooking leeching companies and they are great for us.

Maybe if we were like Israel who have built their own actual tech sector then maybe we could take pronouncement like yours seriously.

Ah this shyte is trotted by you and another boards forum poster ad infinitum.

We produce beef and dairy, also mutton/lamb because you know what we are fooking good at growing grass, the staple input for ruminants.

We don't grow oranges, bananas, avocados, almonds because we don't have the fooking sun and heat.

Huge chunks of the country is not suitable for tillage and large scale hoticulture.

Now we don't gorw as much veg as we once did because a lot of farmers, and indeed people with garden space, find it cheaper to buy veg in supermarkets.

And this leads us onto point about food prices.

Food prices over the last 50/60 odd years as decreased in relative terms.

Cost of production on the other hand has skyrocketed.

And that is why governments around the world have to subsidise farmers.

BTW using your argument about self sufficiency, will you tell the Belize farmers to stop growing all those bananas and the Brazilians/Columbians/Kenyans to cut their coffee production ?

Why do you think that an off farm job is required? In the 80s my parents reared 2 kids off a 46 acre farm, with 26 acres only usable from May to October. And my mother stayed home to mind us. 2 kids through school, house paid for, etc, etc. One of the reasons was that you could actually make enough money from 60 heifers on a summer grazing farm to do that. It's not possible now as the costs to produce have gone through the stratosphere (the roof is far far below) and the price received from the processers hasn't remotely kept up. We're just talking over 30 years ago here, not pre famine times.

And do you go on other forums to dictate how all these other business you mention should run their affairs or is it just farming you have an obsession with

Row boat you have to protect the environment 😜

If Jeff is willing to give you that for getting rid on top of their market value of them I'd take it.

Maybe it'll be like Benjy the bull again, oh wait wasn't the point he wouldn't be slaughtered.

You've missed the point by a mile.

If beef should only provide about 2% of your total diet, then giving 30 million people 2% of their diet isn't feeding them. Its feeding the equivalent of 30 million * 2% = 600,000 people.

So, no, the deficit isn't made up from other products.

It's a deliberately misleading statistic that has grown legs.

If only we could stop people from fu.cking and reproducing.

I was not arguing that they are self-regulated, I was asking why you think they should be. I am now out of this to and fro, unless you want to actually answer the question.

This scenario was commonplace around where I grew up in the seventies. Houses built , land purchased, children educated to third level , a comfortable living been made on modest acreages . And with very little subsidisation

Now we have to comply with every regulation to eke out a few euros and draw down whatever subsidies are going ,to have a fraction of the buying power .

After forty years of selling food at below the cost of production we are being told we must reduce the national herd. WE must reduce our ability to produce even further .

Don't think either think they'll be back.

The bigger the mess the better for SinnFein to sort out, should see the demise of them.

And who know when the green party will be seen again. They're just getting as many restrictions and reductions in place as possible, while they have the steering wheel for now.

As I said, the claim was designed to be deliberately misleading. As you'll undoubtedly know, Irish agricultural production is mostly concentrated in a few products. So it's not like we'd be producing the components of most of the other 98% in any quantity.

Ciaran Fitzgerald (the person cited earlier) states it baldly and incorrectly as "Ireland producing food for the equivalent of 40 million people".

We're actually net food energy importers.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ireland-has-been-net-importer-of-food-since-2000-un-data-reveals/