Climate Bolloxolgy.

It's regurgitated rubbish from a paper that can't lie flat.

Ireland has the second most pristine rivers in Europe. Latest EPA reports have shown improvements. The spend by farmers, and the improvements have been enormous, and continue.

The Courtmacsherry pollution is touted over and over avoids the admission that Timoleage, Courtmacsherry and surrounding serviced housing has been pumping completly untreated raw sewage into that harbour with the last 200 years.

Its a typical bullshit article, the type touted by the unreasonable to piss on a debate and add nothing to its substance

A lack of investment in managing sewage is part of the story: half of urban wastewater treatment plants don’t meet minimum EU standards, while raw sewage from 77,000 people across Ireland flows into the environment every day. Nutrient runoff from sitka spruce plantations also has a negative impact.

But it's the cows....🤕🤕

The human population along the Blackwater has risen by 160% in the last 25 years...sewage treatment plant are totally inadequate and I can take you to towns that have NO treatment, and flow direct to the river.

General population won't buy into these restrictions........ well 90% won't anyway. we've an area on the village by pass at the side of the farm where the general public have a dump and empty the litter out of their car, before they go on to the motorway. County Councl took 20mtrs too much off me along the side of the road for trees etc, perfect secluded place for illegal dumping etc

Fair question, and the answer isn't exactly that, but not a billion miles away.

I'd boil it down to two things. Firstly, that the current value of agriculture is significantly overvalued. That's what I've said here:

That does mean the cost of change (for Ireland) is much less than its presented - and comparisons to the FDI sector, which actually pays the bills, is pointless.

Moving on to the second point, I'm not particularly beating an environmental drum (but not denying those concerns either). There's other reasons why farmers are and should be thinking of changing their products; profits are not there, Brexit won't improve matters and tastes are changing. Would you go on producing pigmeat as your customers all convert to Islam, spouting fire and brimstone about the Quran being a fairy tale?

So, indeed, I'd suggest the sector should be more open to change than its presenting. And, no, I wouldn't rush to subsidising that change, as it should be a natural outcome.

And if anyone wants to repeat the line of "you know nothing, Ireland can only efficient produce grass for livestock", can I point you in the direction of others claiming farming knowledge who do allow that there's no technical reason preventing more veg being produced here.

So folk can tell them they are D4 Avocado-importing Heineken drinking Greens. Maybe then the penny will start to drop.

Guardian readers turn a blind eye to the most blatant pollution there is in the land as it would get in the way of their desire to pack all them towns and villages with even more houses, even more migrants if proper sewage treatment had to be in place. I do not understand how it isn't a huge deal, I haven't met a person from any part of the country than has said it's any different in their area. Shocking levels of corruption going on to keep it off the news as much as they do.

according to ciaran fitzgerald , irish agriculture supports 260000 jobs and generates a spend of 16 billion in the Irish economy and exports of 13 billion. all multinationals combined generate 27 billion spend. pretty major part of economy to mess up in my opinion.

another issue is that the EPA is unfairly classifying all pollution in rivers in rural areas as "agricultural" they are not able to distinguish between village sewage plants, septic tanks and agricultural pollution. So they have areas classified as agricultural, urban and industrial. Because of our one off housing in the country all their waste gets classified as "agricultural".

What's more surprising is how people react to any form of discussion as being dictated to by the Gestapo. All I've really pointed out is farmers themselves (in another context on this forum) are talking about reducing livestock numbers. And that's what the Gestapo did, apparently.

This is happening already for the ETS sector. When you buy electricity, cement or any industrial product made in the EU you are paying this charge indirectly.

it’s not really a tax because the generator/factory is buying a scarce resource. It certainly is a measure that results in revenue.

the euronews article explains the plan to expand this approach to heating and transport.

he whole point of what I was saying is that data centres are paying their way in CO2 emissions and closing data centres in Ireland will make no difference to overall EU industrial emissions.

I don't agree with you. you are using fake news to dispel what I'm after saying. every 2nd business in rural Ireland is dependent on agricultural activities. I live there so I know. be back later when I have time

Corporation tax is 80% seemingly so we're all right Jack.

It's getting ridiculous at this stage.

How far we're gone we've now an unelected minister for agriculture advising farmers to take a course with someone who's not a farmer and claims there's no rhizomes or nodules on Clover grown in pasture.

Is there an on off switch somewhere? 🤔

Amazon have announced that they are to build another 2 data centres in Ireland.

this thread is difficult to read and understand.

Changing the way agriculture is done currently is nice and well intentioned but the way we consume food need to change first. Eating fresh tomatoes, cucumbers, courgettes in winter should not happen because they have either been imported or grown in heated greenhouses. We should try to eat as much in season vegetables as possible.

Agriculture is not only farmers. It includes food processors, machine manufacturers, fertilizer and pesticide manufacturers. These groups don't have any incentive of having consumers changing their eating habits. They are big companies with an easy business model: They supply or process goods without carrying the risks. Only the farmers do. Subsidies are a blessing for these multinationals as it means farmers have more money to buy their products or decrease the buying price. They are now so powerful that, for instance, in the US, they can decide if a farmer can survive or not. Until something is done about these groups, it will be baby steps to try and reduce the impact of agriculture on climate change.

Ah cripes get a grip man. This is good news for Ireland, and it will fizzle down to everyone. We have more than enough wind energy here to power a thousand more data centers, we just need to develop it.

The UK who are hosting this climate change fanfare are about to announce another Oil and Gas field development off Shetland. So it's all just posturing and bullsh1t. In reality we probably are over stocked and too dependent artificial fertilizers. More money from Amazon means more money to pay for these green schemes. If the Government want to cull some of the Suckler herd then they should be paying a very high level of compensation to the farmers. I'm putting a figure of about 5k per cow reduction to be paid to the Suckler farmer, and a green pament into the future. Let them put there money where there mouth is.