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Mayo GAA Discussion

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is it the end for Carnacon?

    The best setup in the county for years but now other clubs have caught up and overtaken them at underage in recent years. One of the benefits that stood to Carnacon over the years was as they were by far and away the best setup, they were able to hoover players up from adjacent areas. Now the other clubs have caught up, individual players are able to develop further within their own club.

    You often see it that a dominant side when finally caught will fall by the wayside for a number of years as sometimes there is an assumption advantages that were previously there will always be there



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Honest - line the 1-26's up side by side and come back and tell me how you can justify any more that 7 or 8 mayo players in a combined panel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    I think most people would agree, even you, that Mayo and Tyrone are two evenly matched teams. And any failures with Mayo which you keep pointing out are down to those who select them.

    I would agree there are 5-6 players who started the final who just aren't at AI final level. I think you could probably name a few yourself. They are either too slow with no pace or can't kick points or goals (And its much harder to kick points or goals as a forward if you are well off the pace of the modern game).

    That said, Tyrone don't exactly have a team of world beaters either, certainly not like Dublin at their peak. They are a solid outfit who implemented a plan. They took their goal chances well, in contrast to our goal chances.

    This year was an odd one. You'd have to say it was 4 average teams in the semi final. You can't tell how good anyone is anymore based on their provincial championship. And Tyrone probably won because they got a few stiffer tests in Ulster. And and had some very good management.

    But as most people have said, Mayo never had a better chance to win an AI than this year and they definitely blew it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭eastie17


    I wouldnt write off Belmullet, they already took Knockmore's scalp, some would argue the weather played a big part but they have been very clever tactically all season, setting up to nullify the oppositions strengths and reacting to trends positively during the game. In fact some managers in more senior roles could take a look at that.

    Ballina is a venue they are very used to also, a big crowd will travel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Wasn't writing them off at all, just in the context of the draw, Westport and Ballintubber would be seen by almost everyone as the ones to avoid from the top seeds.

    The bookies have Belmullet at 11/2 which is way overpriced imo. I think either them or Garrymore will pull off a "shock" this weekend.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,705 ✭✭✭✭Green&Red


    Ballintubber is probably the team we’re least suited to, blanket defence and big midfield. A fire and tongs game v Westport might have suited us more.

    Westport might suit Ballina, more open, Caff wilL be suited to Keane



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭Fanofconnacht


    I really don't understand all the debate and hand wringing over the format of the AI. It makes absolutely no difference to the weaker counties as they are not going to win under any format unless a handicapping system is put in place.

    No matter what only realistic winners in next 25 years are Mayo (being optimistic) \ Galway \ Kerry \ Cork \ Dublin \ Meath \ Donegal \ Tyrone \ Down.

    Adding extra games only helps the better teams. You might catch them out on a bad day but unlikely this will occcur twice.

    The big downside of more games is impact is has on club scene as less days for them.

    Personally I think that if you are on a county panel then club has to get on without you when you are not available. It is ridiculous that a senior \ intermediate club panel of 25-30 is shut down for weeks just because one member is on senior panel.

    Personally I also think wrapping senior panel members in cotton wool is wrong. Regular club games are more battle hardening than AvB games. if someone gets injured so what that life. Any county needs a good panel to win an AI and if everything is dependent on 1/2/3 indespensible stars then nothing will be won.

    The other ridiculous thing with intercounty is the ratio of competitive games to training sessions. Either intercounty teams need more games or less training sessions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    From my understanding of all this, every county gets to play 7 games and the Provincials are retained although not tied to Sam.

    The days of every or most counties having a chance (with a golden generation of players) of winning Sam are long gone. The chances of fairly traditional counties like Offaly, Down, Cavan, etc winning in the next 50 years are remote. Personally I can't see anyone outside of Tyrone, Dublin or Kerry winning in the next 10 years. Counties like Galway, Meath, Monaghan and Donegal are at a certain level and there is nothing to indicate they can raise it to the next level. Donegal for example are hugely dependent on Murphy and that will only get them so far. They haven't made it to an AI semi final since 2014. Galway are hugely dependent on Walsh, Comer and Conroy, and each of them is prone to injury. Meath are lower Div 1/upper Div 2 standard. Can't see Kildare doing it any time soon.

    i think the big argument for league based championship is that you root out the mismatches. So you don't have Mayo playing Leitrim with the pretence that Leitrim can beat them. More evenly match games can only be a good thing.

    That said, its deckchairs on the Titanic stuff at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭MacDanger




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Any indication of how Mayo will vote on Proposal B?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Mayonews has an article online saying we are voting no to plan b and want it the same as it now.

    Senior squad have made it known they prefer plan b.

    An interesting tit bit is and I quote some mayo GAA official. How often have mayo been near relegation in the end of the league and then reach the later stages of the AI later in the year. That won't be possible in plan b.


    Not sure what he is getting at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭spakman


    If you finish 6th in div 1 under plan B, you don't go forward to compete for Sam Maguire. That's what he's referring to presumably.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    We will be competing for Sam from the very first game, i can't understand how people cant get their heads around this, it is not two separate competitions. On our league record, its fairly poor and we would have missed out on the knockout stage in most years recently but then again it was the old league and not the actual new championship,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    The pitch in mchale allegedly hammered our league home games. No excuses this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭muddle84


    If the league was essentially the All Ireland and played in summer, do people really think that our league performances would be the same as what we expect in January and February when new players are being trialled and things are being tinkered with??????????????


    I also agree that game one is competing for Sam, I don't get the line of thinking that suggests it wouldn't be, if we don't make it past the league stage then we are out, just like if you don't get past group stage in champions league you are out, that doesn't mean that you were in the champions league though does it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭HBC08


    It did hamper us,it's one of the smallest county pitches in Ireland and certainly didn't help our running game.If it happened once or twice you could understand but that wasn't the case.For pretty much the last decade any team could keep it tight and have a good chance of beating Mayo in McHale Park.

    When we got to the wide open spaces of Croker it was usually a different story.

    As I understand it the pitch hasn't been widened and has only being lengthened by 5m ( I don't see how they did this as no seats were taken out a Albany end?) Whether that'll make a difference to the small pitch not suiting us I don't know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    There was always "a lot" of space behind the Albany goal from my memory. When I say a lot, I could easily see them getting an extra 5m.

    I think extra width is more far more important to the modern game and there's very little scope for that that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Have to say that I had ignored the Ah Ref podcast as I assumed it would be a "banter" type thing. Have been listening to it now for the past few months and it's really excellent.

    Absolutely love the passion from the two lads on it and the coverage of the club scene is second to none. Some dedication from the two lads as well. Without listening to it I had incorrectly assumed it would be a Buff Egan type show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭muddle84


    It really is second to none! The intercouty coverage was and is top notch too!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭HBC08


    It's great stuff,a lot of auld sh1tetalk on it too,especially from Enda but it's a great listen and the guests they have on are really insightful even if they're not really well known names.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Yes that's my take on it too.

    Some lads seem to think we have it solved now that the pitch is "done".

    The reality is we'll have a great playing surface (very much welcomed) but it'll still be a very small pitch which was the main issue to start with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Given who we're on about here, it's a bit of a risk assuming it'll be a great surface... :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,462 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Will have to give it a listen now too

    also assumed wrongly too that it was crap !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,705 ✭✭✭✭Green&Red


    Best podcast out there by some distance. When you compare it to the Mayo news one on club games it’s head and shoulders above.

    Mayo News one probably better for inter county IMO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Mayodad


    Just wondering... will we see a major plus on the balance sheet at the county convention plus year, given The fact that croke park are supposedly running Mayo GAA nowadays? I expect we should given the greater transparency and scrutiny of spending, new sponsorship deals etc. Also, now that all fixtures are ticket only and bought online the days of the biscuit tin should be long gone. This should ease the burden on the clubs and allow them put their funds back in their grassroots.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The elephant in the room is a good read, explains how the county board have lumped the cost of McHale park onto every single club in the county



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 mayo man in london


    Mayodad, since the pandemic started mayo gaa have only paid 5000euros per month for the machale park debt instead for 33000euros, over 18 months this will equate to a 504,000 saving. Rest assured Croke Park will expect Mayo GAA to resume the 33000per month payment from Jan 1 2022 and expect mayo to pay in full for next 24 years. As JP Kean rightly said this debt is the elephant in the room and needs to be addressed. if it not, clubs will continue to be burdened with a levy while investment in a centre of excellence is a pipe dream

    Treasurer Valerie Murphy stated at the september county board meeting that as things stood, mayo gaa had a significant surplus. Thats the good news , however it was also misleading as she also stated that a lot of expenditure still had to be accounted for.

    My guess is the attendances for the club championships with Mayo GAA TV will bring in 100-150k extra income. Thats great but covers 3-5 months debt repayments. still 23+ years to go

    I hope the next chairman is strong enough to recognise the value of the Mayo GAA brand and tell Croke Park to get lost, mayo wont continue to pay for a stadium where croke park/connaught collect all gate receipts. For me this is where chairman Liam Moffatt failed. For all his efforts to stream line mayo gaa operations he ignored the elephant, therefore failing the clubs who elected him

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Re your last point on gate receipts you obviously havent a clue about GAA structures etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 mayo man in london


    please explain and dont deflect from the elephant



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