Heavyweight Boxing

walshb · 20-10-2021 07:55AM

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Point is they both fought a percentage of journeymen. Tyson annihilates all Fury’s journeymen, and Fury beats Tyson’s. You’re far too critically harsh and biased here.

plus it wasn’t just the number fights. 10-0 with 8 KOs included in that 37-0 record. Fury is 3-0-1 in championship fights to date from his 32 fights. Not near Tyson’s numbers from his 37-0

AdrianG08 · 20-10-2021 09:48AM

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Walshb recovers from his knock down, to put his opponent down, ding ding.

Never mind prime Mike Tyson v Whoever, Walshb v Littlehorny is the prize fight 😂

The Nal · 20-10-2021 09:54AM

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Wilder is one more big win that Mike Tyson ever had.

Littlehorny · 20-10-2021 10:11AM

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I didn't name anyone on my post. I expressed my opinion that Mike Tyson has been discussed numerous times on the boxing thread and the debate just goes round and round. In fact I had a debate with you on him a couple of years ago.

I feel and maybe others do that all points both pro and con Tyson have been to death at this stage.

We all rate some fighters more than others anyway and at 49 I remember Tyson winning his first world titles and loved him so it's not a Tyson bashing post.

If you want me to contribute I will, imo Mike Tyson beats Joshua, Wilder and Fury.

eagle eye · 20-10-2021 11:20AM

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A statement with no backup or reasoning.

walshb · 20-10-2021 11:29AM

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Apart from a power punch, what has Wilder got? He’s so basic..Tyson beat plenty lads with far better skill sets.

yourdeadwright · 20-10-2021 11:39AM

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Oh without question he has some ,

My point is you can't say Mikes great he was 37-0 by 1990 without looking at the fights,

The first 15 & more where there to just fall over, As i said John McDermott who Fury fought in his 8th fight would have beat all of Mikes opponents & McDermott was far from settler himself,

Its like Wilder now the first 20 & more guys he fought where bin men, American's seem to get away wit padding there records way more then English fighters, they continue to fight can's for far longer than the British public like to see fighters do it,

yourdeadwright · 20-10-2021 11:46AM

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I didn't watch Wilder as amateur but how did he get a bronze at the Olympics was it all ko's to get on the team and to get that medal ?

He had a better amateur career than Mike

Wilder 43 -2 & one draw

Mike 24-3

Do you reckon anyone that Mike beat would have beat Ortiz ?

Wilder has more title defence's than Mike he also has a higher knock out percentage , he also beat Ortiz twice & drew with Fury

A couple more big wins & he would be clear

AckwelFoley · 20-10-2021 12:06PM

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An Olympic bronze medal.

I don't particularly like the guy, and he's not as good as many try to make out but he's not a complete turkey

He's better than AJ imo

Frankly I think he's missing a few cogs up stairs in the main flywheel

Butson · 20-10-2021 12:10PM

I don't get this comparing era's stuff.

Bit pointless.

walshb · 20-10-2021 12:10PM

yourdeadwright

Tyson is 12-4 championship bouts

Wilder is 10-1-2 in championship bouts.

Tyson has more bouts and wins. Both defended titles 11 times..

yourdeadwright · 20-10-2021 12:24PM

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I meant in a row,

Was the belt vacant the second time Tyson won it & had one defence against Seldon is that correct ?

I'd say 10 because they both lost on there 11th defence ,]

walshb · 20-10-2021 12:27PM

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Bruno had WBC belt when Tyson took it from him.

defended it v Seldon and grabbed Seldon’s WBA belt

yourdeadwright · 20-10-2021 12:34PM

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Correct i was getting the two Bruno fight all mixed up ,

So was it Bruno beat McCall for the title then lost to Tyson for the second & retired, ?

Morrison J · 20-10-2021 12:35PM

Not shocked by this and would be shocked if it gets rearranged. Wallin probably would have won and took away Whyte's chance of a title fight with Fury.

https://twitter.com/boxing_social/status/1450775646288941059?t=2p_NTfQYuiplkwObsDvzrw&s=19

yourdeadwright · 20-10-2021 12:48PM

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What a scam

eagle eye · 20-10-2021 01:22PM

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I'm sorry, I said that Tyson's career before Buster Douglas is fair to compare to Fury's career as he had more fights. Outside of Wilder and Wlad a few days short of his 40th birthday Fury has fought nobody of note.

Tyson fought far more fighters of note in his career up to that point.

It amazes me how Spinks is just dismissed despite being an Olympic Champion and an unbeaten, undisputed heavyweight Champion until he met Mike Tyson. Tyson fought Biggs, Pinklon Thomas, Tucker, Berbick, Holmes, Tubbs and Spinks in a pretty short timeframe. They were all better than anything outsdie of the current top three in the heavyweight division today.

Mantis Toboggan · 20-10-2021 01:26PM

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As expected I suppose!

The Nal · 20-10-2021 01:36PM

So Parker vs Chisora the next "big" HW fight?

WAR

squinn2912 · 20-10-2021 01:58PM

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FFS that’s put me in a mood. I was looking forward to getting a look at that fight. This fights all comers is some nonsense. Oul bollox

squinn2912 · 20-10-2021 02:02PM

Anyhow, the Tyson debate is one that’s gonna stick around, folks. If you don’t like reading it you have the option to not. The alternative is that the thread goes quiet because there’s gonna be a lull in HW action for a little while. It becomes more relevant as the current crop face each other. Your mind changes or is reaffirmed by a fighter. If Fury beats say aj then there’s a stronger argument for him, if he loses then anyone thinking Tyson would win will use that as the evidence has changed. Hardly that surprising. I’d like to watch a prime Povetkin fight Tyson. Some action in there but Tyson kos him for me!

yourdeadwright · 20-10-2021 04:00PM

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Because Spinks was a LHW , He was middle weight champion at the Olympics ,

Yes he won the heavy weight title but it was because he seen the right opportunity in Holmes , he was afraid to leave the dressing rom against Mike ,

Holmes was retired grand da when he got the call to fight Mike.

Remember the story of Don King knocking on his front door when he was two year retired one night looking for him to fight, Holmes said who do you want me to fight King said Mike Tyson below is Holmes own words ,

Holmes replied i can't beat mike Tyson Don said, 'What if I give you 3 ½ million dollars?,' and I said, 'Where's Mike at?' I'm just glad he didn't kill me. He knocked me down a few times, but I didn't feel it because the first time he hit me I was numb.

walshb · 20-10-2021 05:28PM

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A fight I was only thinking of the the other day, and although I'd go with Tyson via KO, I think AP is a style and size and makeup that could make this very competitive.

He's hard, tough, physiologically strong and suited to being good against Tyson. Tyson might not do the job with one shot, but I think his speed/power and overall better defense see him connecting a bit too much, and we see a Richard Steele like stoppage ala Razor Ruddock fight 1.

Watched Bowe-Holyfield last night: Wow. words cannot accurately describe its brilliance. Relating to HWs today, I am thinking that a Wilder-Bowe fight could be serious fun, and I'd give Wilder a fair chance of nailing Bowe for the KO. Bowe is perfectly in Wilder' eye line. The perfect height for Wilder to detonate very cleanly, and Bowe could be hit. It's why I think a 90s Foreman may well have walked through Bowe for the KO, assuming Bowe doesn't KO Foreman, and I don't think he does....after Lewis-Bowe, Foreman-Bowe is right up there as a fight I'd die for!

I will say that if Wilder cannot KO Bowe, then Bowe eats him up....such a skilled big man, and could punch.

walshb · 20-10-2021 05:33PM

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Yet you will hear some mention how Holmes was doing so well.....and then when Mike whacked him, he suddenly became this shot to bits has-been. He got whacked clean and hard, and it was not that much to do with his age/inactivity.

Fact of the matter is that any version Holmes does not beat Tyson. He hadn't the chin/recovery skills of an Ali to survive 12. Yes, he took a good shot, but he was on queer street several times from fighters not near as brutal as Tyson for finishing.

walshb · 20-10-2021 05:38PM

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Otiz is not great. Not near it. Has beaten nobody. Old man when Wilder fought him

I'd back all Tyson's championship fighters to beat Luiz Ortiz. And Tyson himself would have taken him out in a few rds tops.

He is just not that good...

Dillian Wyyte, maybe a notch higher level......

walshb · 20-10-2021 05:57PM

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Meant to respond here. I was not implying that he was a turkey. But he does not have a good skillset from what I see. That's all.

Big, awkward and has a right hand power punch...

Out of 10 for skillset I'd be going 4/5 here, compared to a 9 for say Bowe/Holyfield/Lewis/Tyson.

squinn2912 · 20-10-2021 08:13PM

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Yea I had intended posting about it a couple of times. I think it would be a brilliant contest. AP was some force in his pomp whatever about the juice. Wlad got away with a lot of stuff in that fight.

I think Tyson may have to get up from a kd but ultimately around round 8 or 9 I think he’d have wore AP down and slowed him enough to get him out with two kds and rst finish. Haha I’m reading as I’m replying and it’s like listening to myself. I do think it’s a 70-30 match up.

Ach yea Bowe-Holyfield was unreal but I did think there wasn’t much defense. I’ll get a rewatch at it and post with a bit more accuracy, my memory could be hazy on it. I do think Bowe allowed himself to be hit and anyone who does that is in trouble with Wilder. He was a bit lazy at times too and I felt could have been trimmer at times. Dunno about Foreman but that’s why I think Lewis beats him. I often say I think the earlier the more likely for Bowe to win and then later it’s all Lewis but I think Lewis really fancied that one and Bowe didn’t. Could Bowe take Lewis’ right cross? Battle of the jabs wouldve been fantastic. Foreman himself allowed himself to be hit. I could see Bowe stopping him late with cleaner work all night. He’d wanna be mobile for it though.

All in all with Bowe Wilder I think Bowe. Don’t think Wilder could stand up to him and he’d jab the head off him. Fury Bowe? I think Fury but only just. I think he wins that on points but it would be an enormous test of his fitness. Much more of a test than Wilder gave him and in all three fights he was blowing hard and Wilder wasn’t good enough to sense that and get after him. Bowe gets him in trouble and it’s another story.

walshb · 20-10-2021 08:57PM

Stories that AJ looking for new trainer(s) for Usyk rematch.

squinn2912 · 20-10-2021 09:31PM

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If he has any sense at all that’s what he needs. There were problems with himself during that and other fights but the corner did little for him. He doesn’t really listen to what they do tell him either and there’s no sense of him feeling like only for them in any fight. Far too passive. Anyone linked with him?

eagle eye · 20-10-2021 10:09PM

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Holmes was the same age fighting Tyson as Wlad was fighting Fury.

And just because somebody was a light heavyweight doesn't mean they aren't good enough for heavyweight. Like he knocked out his other two opponents at heavyweight.

Also we have a cruiserweight world champion now holding a bunch of heavyweight belts and might be a champion for a few years. We'll see over the next few fights just how good he is.

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