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Jump_In_Jack · 20-10-2021 05:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118048538#Comment_118048538

Sorry, your interpretation is completely wrong.

The law is specific to where the ball lands.

"10.4 An offside player may be penalised, if that player:

a) Interferes with play; or

b) Moves forwards towards the ball; or

c) Was in front of a team-mate who kicked the ball and fails to retire immediately behind an onside team-mate or an imaginary line across the field 10 metres on that player’s side from where the ball is caught or lands, even if it hits a goal post or crossbar first. If this involves more than one player, then the player closest to where the ball lands or is caught is the one penalised. This is known as the 10-metre law and still applies if the ball touches or is played by an opponent but not when the kick is charged down."

It used to be law 11.4 before the rewording of the laws in 2018, but world rugby insisted the interpretation of the law didn't change, they said the new wording would make it clearer.

So you can read the previous wording for even more clarification.

Anyway, the new wording is clear enough here, the ball lands much further than 10m away from Beirne, so he is already well clear of that law.

Jump_In_Jack · 20-10-2021 05:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118049002#Comment_118049002

That post missed entirely the point that Scannell might have brought him back on side after the kick.

sydthebeat · 20-10-2021 05:19PM

You are missing the huge OR in that whole text

Jump_In_Jack · 20-10-2021 05:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118049151#Comment_118049151

You are not getting it, it means either option will satisfy the law.

sydthebeat · 20-10-2021 05:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118049202#Comment_118049202

Exactly.

That's why 10.4.c is not just the 10 meter law, but actually the whole law pertaining to offside from a kick.

Which I've said 3 or 4 times already.

There is no other law which deals with offside from a kick.

Jump_In_Jack · 20-10-2021 05:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118049252#Comment_118049252

Sorry, 10.1 deals with offside from any play, including a kick. Law 10.4 c is a specific case. I can't reply anymore, just google it yourself.

hold my beer · 20-10-2021 05:43PM

"behind an onside team-mate or an imaginary line across the field 10 metres on that player’s side from where the ball is caught or lands"

The first 'or' in that sentence man. Are you missing that or something?

sydthebeat · 20-10-2021 05:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118049276#Comment_118049276

jesus christ... the "specific case" is offside from a kick... it patently says it in the section

An offside player may be penalised, if that player:
Interferes with play; or
Moves forwards towards the ball; or
Was in front of a team-mate who kicked the ball and fails to retire immediately behind an onside team-mate or an imaginary line across the field 10 metres on that player’s side from where the ball is caught or lands, even if it hits a goal post or crossbar first.

the bolded is the definition of a plyer being offside from a kick. if a player is offside when a team mate kicks the ball, they must immediately retreat until they are onside.

please feel free to find the other section of the law book which deals with being offside from a kick, but ill save you a trawl, you wont find any other section.

Jump_In_Jack · 20-10-2021 05:52PM

Lads, the pair of ye are either on a windup or ye need a lesson in comprehension, I'm not replying anymore. If the player meets either of the two criteria then that whole law, 10.4 c, AKA the 10 metre law, does not apply. Seriously, I can't be any clearer than that.

10.4 contains 3 parts, penalty for interfering with play, penalty for advancing towards the ball, or a penalty for specific circumstances which I can't explain anymore, just you can't be within 10m of where the ball lands, or you have to retreat to an onside position.

20-10-2021 06:46PM

Mod note

Take it to PM or stop

Yeah_Right · 20-10-2021 07:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118049612#Comment_118049612

Can I ask a question about the Beirne offside/inside discussion?

yerrahbah · 20-10-2021 07:41PM

Bullet points from Murray Kinsella to 42.ie members

"The Tadhg Beirne incident has gone to World Rugby for clarification"

"The match official reviews for last weekend's URC have already taken place"

"The42 understands that the review process leaned towards a narrow consensus that the try was correctly awarded - even if it has now gone to World Rugby for clarification. The review appears to have tentatively determined that Beirne was onside when Rory Scannell kicked the ball"

"As we discussed on the podcast, it was a very marginal call despite the initial replay in full speed appearing to suggest that Beirne was offside"

phog · 20-10-2021 10:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118049841#Comment_118049841

So we've gone from miles offside to he being onside

This isn't going away anytime soon.

sydthebeat · 15-11-2021 03:11PM

so....

was Luke Pearce, in the NZ game, right to:

a. blow the whistle when there was no offence

b. restart the game with a scrum to new zealand?

Yeah_Right · 15-11-2021 03:37PM

I thought he whistled for a knock on but was then informed there wasn't one so gave the scrum to the team last in possession. I could be completely wrong as I was drunk and for some reason I haven't watched it back 😆

A2LUE42 · 15-11-2021 03:41PM

But JGP had the ball in hand and was heading towards the line?

RichieRich_89 · 15-11-2021 03:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118169661#Comment_118169661

Depends when the whistle came. If Gibson-Park was in possession when the ref blew, then surely Ireland should have got the put-in?

sydthebeat · 15-11-2021 04:18PM

I haven't watched it back either, but from memory Pearce clearly indicated and shouted that it went back, and the touch judge did as well. He blew the whistle when Jordan stopped playing. And upon restarting he says that he blew up cos everyone stopped playing and he would restart with NZ scrum

sydthebeat · 15-11-2021 04:23PM

At the back of my head I'm thinking there is some safety reason for blowing up when everyone stops

hold my beer · 17-11-2021 11:49PM

What was the story with Carbery being told when he came on that he could take the kick if a HIA replacement but not if a tactical sub?

phog · 18-11-2021 10:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118183673#Comment_118183673

A tactical sub isn't allowed take a kick at goal that was already called before the substitution taking place. It prevents teams bringing on a better kicker for the kick at goal. Obviously, this wasn't the case on Saturday but "bloodgate" (Quins v Leinster 2009) was certainly a case of trying to get a better kicker onto the field and could have cost Leinster their first H/C trophy.

irelandrover · 18-11-2021 10:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118184525#Comment_118184525

I thought that was an RFU regulation only. World rugby states that any player can take the kick. I didn't think the ref was right on Saturday.

Yeah_Right · 18-11-2021 11:52AM

No it's a global rule. The player has to be on the field when the penalty is awarded or the try is scored for them to take the kick. HIA or blood being the exception. I believe the same ball has to be used as well.

irelandrover · 18-11-2021 12:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118185092#Comment_118185092

Can you provide the rule? I'm not doubting you, i'm doubting myself.

Here's what i based it on.

https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/clarification/2007/2/

Yeah_Right · 18-11-2021 01:13PM

I just remember a ref saying it in a match I played in a thousand years ago. Also I'm pretty sure I've seen it at pro level on TV. Couldn't give you a specific match, just basing it off my hazy memory.

Lost Ormond · 30-11-2021 12:08PM

Some optional law changes that unions may introduce in the community game to help increase participation

https://www.world.rugby/news/673997?fbclid=iwar3tyn2gsds4uxwq7jrvlb8ulmegmzbddtda2hnjbvyjz8vcv8bhk6lympk

Will be interesting if many/any do get put into practice here...

Jump_In_Jack · 27-02-2022 06:06PM

Anyone know why Italy weren’t allowed use a prop as a 3rd hooker?

Were they forced into uncontested scrums?

stephen_n · 27-02-2022 06:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118703698#Comment_118703698

Think you have to designate all front rows before the game. So they needed to have someone nominated in advance who could play and is a experienced hooker.

Losty Dublin · 27-02-2022 06:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118703907#Comment_118703907

Yep, thats what happened. Replacements for the front row need to be explicitly nominated ahead of time, and be sufficiently competent and able to play there. It isn't enough to say "be grand", especially at this level.

Jump_In_Jack · 27-02-2022 08:32PM

Is it possible to say how many positions a sub can cover when they can cover more than one of the front row positions? Or is it one designated sub per front row position?

For example, Porter can obviously cover both sides.

And some hookers would be capable of playing loosehead prop and vice versa.

Perhaps they want to limit it in this way to prevent a team having say three tighthead props and subbing every 25 mins or something, if that were advantageous?

Or is there like a medical cert a player needs to become allowed to play in each of the front row positions, perhaps a certain number of hours playing or practicing in that position or something? The union probably have to declare that ahead of time and could be in serious trouble if they declared someone were able to cover a position without them being prepared properly and played someone in the wrong position and it ended up causing an injury.

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