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My €100m BEAM scheme

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,834 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    We got that letter too, we paid it back weeks ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,746 ✭✭✭maidhc


    It seems a large minority of farmers are going to be giving it back. What a silly scheme!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,862 ✭✭✭green daries




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,834 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    It shows up on financial services when paid back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,515 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It's was s simple scheme you just had to follow the rules it similar to REPS at the start lad taught they were getting money for nothing

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    And a lot of silly farmers, refused to obey simple rules yet expected to get paid. And a sillier TD Matt Carthy wanting Minister to find some way of letting these farmers keep the money. Imagine him being Minister for Ag in the next government. We will make the rules but if ye don't obey them no problem you will still get paid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    They certainly got money for nothing in GLAS. Very few obeyed sheep rules , still got paid . 6700 did not avail of extra year. Planners paid some work done yet didn't take free money. Minister did nothing to check why these people left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Isn't that largely the way it always goes though with every Minister for Ag. for all our lives?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,862 ✭✭✭green daries


    A good point I'd actually forgot about that cluster **** of a spring / summer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,515 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    What everybody forgets is the rules were imposed by the EU at the time not the Dept or the minister. They did the same for the milk support 4-5 years back. I agree that year was a cluster f@@k and like any scheme there is winners and losers. However it's up to individuals to decide if the support is worth taking and if you do decide it is worth it then you follow the rules. Many lads killed cattle early that year due to the summer that was in it but received little or no support as the cattle they slaughered were outside the support window.

    I agree entirely about Brexit, the processor's a sed it as a stick to beat us with. As I explained many times here even if the British opt to port beef from elsewhere this beef need to be replaced in that market.

    It interesting that even though Australia is at present virtually banned from the Chinese market it is not effecting the Australian be g price

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭MIKEKC




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭Grueller


    I received a letter today about this, informing me that I have passed the threshold of my 5% reduced limit since the end of October and it is now impossible for me to comply with the scheme. I now owe them all of the monies received and if I don't pay within 31 days from when they write with details of how to pay, they will charge 3% interest per year on the money and then recoup the capital and interest from future payments.

    Anybody else get one of these?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,693 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Just saw an online article from the Farmers Journal about it. Unfortunately it's subscriber only but I will link it.

    https://www.farmersjournal.ie/almost-20m-in-beam-payments-to-be-clawed-back-670018



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    I see Jackie Cahill Fianna Fáil TD saying that farmers didn't understand the rules of the scheme.I believe if you don't understand something you ask someone who does .The vast majority would have an advisor .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 679 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    The vast majority do not have an advisor. I can’t see how this money can be clawed back . Know of a farmer who had no more than thirty cattle at any stage of the last few years farming forty hectares who will be asked to pay it back . How does that make sense if it extensive farming they are trying to promote ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,693 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    There are a number of elderly (mostly single men) suckler farmers in my area. There are probably a handful that applied for the BEAM scheme for one, two or at the most three suckler cull cows that they sent to the factory. I don't know how they applied but I'm fairly sure they didn't do it themselves on Agfood as most of them have simple mobile phones so I presume their Ag consultant applied.

    I reckon the monies will be recouped in the future from their SFP/BPS/GLAS/BDGP payments etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,515 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    There was rules to the scheme. Too many have this idea that rules are never applied. I got 400 in beam. I finish 60 cattle. However the ref year of the scheme was a drought year and my farm is very dry. I slaughered cattle early and bought them in later than normal. I have had to drop numbers by 7-8 cattle to achieve the scheme. That would be 2+2.5k in net margin so I treated it as an interest free loan.

    I know of another lad that took a relative's land and therefore could not abide by the rules. The way stock went this year he was way better off.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭nhg


    We sent an email to beam section last week to withdraw from the scheme as we also viewed it as an interest free loan as we were trying to increase stock numbers as opposed to decrease. We followed up the email with a phone call & posted in the cheque which was cashed yesterday.

    Just wanted it sorted in this year’s accounts instead of next years as cattle prices were better.

    God only knows what next year will bring!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,834 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    When we posted in the cheque we asked for a receipt to be posted back to us. We got one just to have, just in case



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Given the fact that an online application is needed for most schemes I think an advisor would be well worth the money. Practically everyone I know has an advisor. How you think the money can't be clawed back is beyond me. Scheme had rules, people didn't comply, deduct it from other payments



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,451 ✭✭✭tanko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    An advisor without qualifications. I have advised many in my time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭epfff


    I know Teagasc pushed hard to get guys to join around here in the last days before it closed.

    I didn't think it was a good advise for many only taking a few hundred out of it.

    I got nearly 11k and think I'm down money because of cutting stock numbers at a time of rising prices.

    I would be very upset if I am proved to be a fool for adhering to the rules. But this is ireland and usually the the rules are only for people that want to be bound by. them so why will this be different?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,693 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Can you post a link, no offence but your post doesn't make sense to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭epfff


    I was fully compliant by the original deadline. It may not have been fully legal how I achieved it but it was achieved.

    Teagasc locally pushed a lot of smaller sucklers guys into it in the last days that are now under pressure for fertiliser money without having to pay that back.

    It was always a shambles of a scheme and I don't understand why it was so highly thought of by old powers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,515 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Neither the farm organisations involved or the FJ will admit that the flaw in there thinking is that the EU will fund losses in the farming sector. It is up to individuals to manage there own businesses.

    Was this scheme flawed. No it was not. The real problem was the inability of some who will be paying it back to understand nitrates and stocking rates. Some suckler farmers taught you if you had to reduce you could sell a cow the end of November and that would satisfy the requirements.

    If I had any criticism it would have being allowing a reduction on smaller payments. If the first 2k was not effected by failure to achieve a reduction it would have solved a lot of issue. However hindsight is 20/20 vision. Most lads that decided not to bother reducing on the finishing side won big time.

    It interesting as well to see the furore over pig and veg at present. Most of these lads wiped out the smaller producers over the last 20++ years. Now it's there turn. I would not be exactly shedding tears for them.

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Yes very interesting to see the furore over pig prices Agree completely that the smaller producer was wiped out. The huge profits of previous years was not mentioned. IFA president has a pot of e7million built up.Profits of from half to one million per year for the last number of years and continuing to expand. This is the trend with these big units, and expect someone else to sell their product and return them a profit.



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