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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Once more - what do you want done? 92% of adults are vaccinated. Are you suggesting the vaccines are useless? All your doing now is just waffling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Much the same as others and what is being hinted at in the media; extended use of COVID certs but I think they will let nightclubs open. They may also slow that return to office approach. Not sure about the mask side of things but we know it'll be for specific areas anyway and they may just let that slide. Personally reckon that continued widespread use of masks is not proportionate to where we are and let's get those antigen tests going. Then again another nudge up in hospitals to 482 this morning so who knows how NPHET will view that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    Thanks. Good to hear your thoughts. I think the nightclub reopening will probably be deferred until after Christmas. I think you’re right on other counts. Not too sure where I stand on continued widespread use of masks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    So 482 in hospital and they telll us to re set .Reset what exactly . Its not our business to fix the hospital situation its the HSE and Departments business .So , HSE , re set yourself and DO SOMETHING



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Sorry but that is delusion. These are the same delusional nuggets that we heard last year to tell us what was happening wasn't happening.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    You're hysterical. Outbreaks are happening in hospitals and this is sending the numbers in hospital who have covid up. Once again - what do you want done? Full lockdowns/more restrictions? What exactly would you do now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    The great thing about data, is that picking arbitrary timespans can lead to all sorts of fun conclusions.

    You say it's increased 1200% in 14 weeks. I say it's increased 26% in 7 weeks. And we're both correct.

    Yet the consequences of using that data for forecasting give us massively different outcomes. Yours suggests we'll have 6000 people in hospital come 2022. Mine says we'll have about 800.

    The timespan alone is insufficient. The trend and the external factors all must be accounted for. After all, someone could equally claim that hospital numbers are down 75% since January, therefore all is hunky dory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭Nyero


    It's a fact though, they are hospital outbreaks and people are getting it by default.

    ICU had only increased slightly in a month the last time I checked.

    It's hysterics from the media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    You are engaging in crude, anti-vaccine reductionism. The vaccines are highly effective. A quick comparison of where, say, Romania is at the moment in terms of deaths compared to Ireland is proof of that.

    But the vaccines can only do so much, they are not 100% effective. We have over a fifth of the population unvaccinated and that's more than enough to keep this pandemic raging this winter.

    And if it keeps raging, it will spill over significantly into the vaccinated, and it will spill over into the older age groups, for whom getting Covid, even while vaccinated, is still a serious threat to life.

    Again I have to mention the hospitalisations. We have had a 12 fold increase since July.

    Those who propose a free for all need to lay out what impact they think that will have on hospitalisations and deaths.

    Not one of ye has done so so far.

    I think I can guess why that is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    What months have the last three been? They have encompassed July, August, September and October. These are some of the months where we are best able to keep a lid on Covid.

    If you lift all restrictions - in winter months! - what logical reason is there for thinking Covid hospitalisations are not going to keep steadily rising?

    None, as far as I can see.

    The only logical note of optimism is more vaccinations. And we're dragging our heels badly on that.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Antigen testing for entry where though? That wouldn't be feasible for going to the pub or a restaurant, not going to be queueing up for a test outside with someone sticking cotton buds up your nose? And negative test within last 72 hours type of thing, generally costs about €30 no? So people won't be doing that every week. I'm confused about this, where are they talking about antigen tests being used?



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You could look up hospital figures for the last decade or more and you'd see a large increase in respiratory illnesses from July to December.

    We're not going to permanently change how we live for a mild illness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    This is not a mild illness.

    It's a flagrant lie to claim this is a mild illness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Ah_well.


    The vast overwhelmingly majority of people will experience no more than a standard cold from covid . Yes it’s a crisis for our health system with capacity problems which spills over with potential restrictions but cool your jets there . This isn’t the Black Death in the 1300s with no modern medicine . You are quiet the drama Queen aren’t you. Everyone knows it’s going to be an incredibly difficult winter for the health system but relax the world isn’t coming to an end .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭bloopy


    There has been a 92% uptake in the adult population. The majority of which was done only since July.

    What more do you want to be done?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Nonsense. You do realise that most of the people you are classifying as unvaccinated (fifth of the population) are actually children under 12 who cannot get vaccinated. You're absolutely spoofing now and have lost all perspective. And inflating your numbers by including those who cannot get vaccinated demonstrates your inability to grasp what is actually happening. People will die, but we cannot save everyone. Hospitalisations have increased 33% since the start f September but you would have use believe there is some sort unparalleled crisis. FFS relax a bit and get some perspective. And typically you're throwing around anti-vaccine slurs. I am fully vaccinated and have been since May. Get a grip FFS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    If we're getting hospital outbreaks now, in October, what's going to happen over the winter in that regard?

    How will the health service function?

    If we are getting outbreaks now, in October, this going to keep happening and keep happening and keep happening throughout the winter.

    And people are happy to accept that?! It beggars belief.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Now you have truly lost it. You think we're dragging our heels on vaccinations??? One of the highest vaccine rates in the world and you think we're dragging our heels? 😂🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Stop gaslighting.

    These sorts of views gave consistently wrong, and disastrously so, for the entirety of the pandemic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    For at least 80% of those infected it is and always has been.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    So hospitals are never overrun this time of year?

    And you accuse me of gaslighting.

    Hopefully the irony isn't lost on you.

    It's clear what your game is here so that's the last reply you'll be getting from me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    We've had this every year - trolley watch and over crowded hospitals is a standing news item every single winter as long as I can remember. 2019 was a record year for overcrowded hospitals in the winter. Stop making out like it's something new.

    Record 108,364 people stuck on a hospital trolley so far this year (irishtimes.com)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,370 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    I wonder will they recommend a 10 o'clock closing for pubs now til after Xmas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭bloopy


    No. People are not happy to accept it.

    We are 18 months into a global pandemics where everyone knew hospitals were an important resource to limit damage.

    Nothing has been done to prepare and it is like the government didn't bother their hole getting ready because they thought the vaccines were a magic elixer going to solve the whole thing.

    It didn't, and now they are panicking and going down the despicable route of blaming a tiny minority in the country in the hopes that we'll all turn our frustration away from their failings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭Nyero


    Yes, all winter people going to hospital with say, a broken ankle, will pick up covid, they will be tested, it will be marked on the statistics, their ankle will be fixed and they will be off home again in a timely manner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    As we can see on this thread, plenty of people are more than happy to get the pitchforks out for the evil "unvaccinated". The government must be laughing their holes off at how easily manipulated the populace is.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anybody that is interested can very quickly google things like Irish hospitals 2018, 2019 etc and you'll find the relevant articles and reports on overcrowding for those years. Look at the below. Sound familiar?

    And the people most responsible for this continued failure will be the people pushing for restrictions this week and blaming the people. (NPHET + HSE + Gov)


    1. The HSE should prioritise measures to bring ICU/HDU bed capacity in Ireland up to levels which can deal comfortably with day-to-day requirements and to provide some reserve capacity in order to cope with surges in demand or with a major disaster. ICUs must be resourced to deal with peak demand rather than average demand, as patients cannot wait for admission. The Health Service Capacity Review 2018 (Department of Health, 2018) recommended an increase of 190 beds in critical care capacity by 2031; the data in this Report support this recommendation.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭bloopy


    From my experience, the true believers online make up a very small minority in real life.

    It is just that they are loud and give an impression that the whole country is jazzed up about going down the angry mob route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The hospital situation is quite complex. For one you cannot just magic up ICU beds; a big component of them is the staff to make them work. That's a huge challenge for the HSE and second the most obvious reason is because we've been in the middle of a pandemic, where most effort has been given over to managing what's there. Into 2022 we certainly should demand a lot more progress on HSE reform and improvement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    That is not how you define a mild illness.

    The Economist magazine says this pandemic has claimed over 15 million lives.

    Less than 1% of people involved in car crashes die.

    So let's all go out and have car crashes, yes?



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