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All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So in your opinion but completely unproven alongside your hyperbolic view that deaths are gonna be higher from the lockdown. So far, you're seeming like you're only expressing views that you can't actually back up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭Kumejima


    If I have something specific to spit it out just say it? I'd love to, but I've just explained that posting a link to an article detailing not opinion, not conjecture, but actual factual events from the Irish court system, published in a national newspaper 3 days ago, got the post deleted and the threat of a ban if I reposted it.

    You're saying "play ball and stop bitching" but when I try to take a shot on goal the ref gives me a yellow card and tells me I'll get red if I try it again.

    And this hilariously biased situation will be defended vigorously and no doubt someone will be along to tell me to go home and cry to my mommy about it.

    As I said, ye won't accept theories and ye won't accept facts, but we're the one's degrading the discussion.

    Anyway That's my contribution for another month. Posting on this board is like smoking - corrosive, so I gotta keep it to a minimum



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    I asked you before, seeing that you think you are an expert. How did your constitutional challenge go?

    I’d say this question will go unanswered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    No, you gave your version of something I have no proper context to. It could have been pulled for any number of reasons.

    "If I have something specific to spit it out just say it? I'd love to"

    Great, let's hear it (without a list of excuses) I'm all ears.



  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭Kumejima



    Here's what I tried to post and was told to take it over to this forum as this article is apparently "antivax nonsense".

    Let's see if it stays up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    What has this story about a swine flu jab got anything to do with all covid measures are going to be permanent?

    What measures are permanent and why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    it's a nice sentiment, but you seem to gloss over a lot of things....

    -British and US governments are not the only governments doing mass surveillance, are they the most reaching, yes, is it a problem, yes.. funnily enough, it's their democracy basis which has highlighted their capability, where more draconian countries just outright deny any capability.... it's relevance to this argument though? I'm not sure.... You can walk around the UK and US pretty easy compared to Ireland's in regards to the pandemic

    -I have numerous anti vax friends who have been living as normal a lockdown life in Dublin can be.... there are a lot of people who like to argue otherwise... I quite frankly think they just don't leave their PC to find out themselves

    -China is China....no body wants to be China.... comparing China to a western country is apples and oranges

    two points you fail to recognise

    -Ireland has a crap health system, this is the sole valid reason for preventative measures... you can harp on all you want about the government "wanting to control us".... fix that and you have no need for preventative measures... simple, the UK, France and Germany are perfect examples of this

    -Being part of the EU, it's often looked at through Nigel Farage glasses that the EU are these big bad bossy people..... but at the end of the day, it's their human rights and freedom of movement laws which are point and case why all EU member states have to put an expiry date on all enacted lockdown measures, and why any extension is now again scrutinised at international level (yes this was suspended for a time last year before you try and undercut with that argument)



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,213 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Outside of the noise in your own head you really do not have a clue have you ?

    Have you even heard of a Death Notification Form ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    You forgot to add "In my opinion ..." at the start of your last sentence there, as nothing you've said is fact other than Gemma being a clown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    This isn't context. We don't know where you posted it and in what circumstances. If you are e.g. posting articles related to Swine Flu in a Corona thread and the mods have warned about it, then it may have been removed. Antivaxxers consistently dredge up any vaccine injury or death from the past 100 years and evangelise them in order to try and fearmonger about vaccines, typically while playing the whole "I'm just concerned about vaccines" line. People are wise to these techniques and some forums/mods/threads crack down on it.

    I don't see how it's related to this thread, but maybe you have something to say regarding measures being permanent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    I clearly stated that they are not measured in the same way - not that they aren't measured at all. And if they aren't measured in the same way, then comparison is misleading, false and meaningless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,132 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Why dont you get a gofundme going.


    I mean if you can prove it I'm sure funds wont be an issue to get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    There are enough eejits out there that would help you finance one, and if you win you’d get your costs paid. So it sounds like a cop out seeing that you know better than everyone else.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭Kumejima


    Yes youre right I was posting in a corona vaccine forum about a swine flu vaccine.

    Totally unrelated. The mod had no option but to warn me.

    What's worse. I linked to an article bring up events from the last major vaccine drive in 2009. That's 12 whole years ago? Obviously I shouldn't be mentioning any events pre 2020. What sort of freak looks at past performance as a guide to potential future outcomes?

    And now I've posted it in the boiling frog thread. I should move it to the vaccines thread where you can ignore the elephant in the room there too and pepper me with useless and inane questions instead of reading the article and coming to your own rational conclusions about how sensible it is to vaccinate everyone in Ireland over 12 with an experimental drug developed in 6 months.

    I'm out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Statistic are statistics, not interested in whatever mental gymnastics you perform with dismiss whichever ones don't fit your personal narratives

    You have any coherent explanation as to what measures will be permanent? Or is it, as I suspect, another Covid denial dump session



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,132 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Some would view it as treasonous.


    I mean if you know you can save the country but aren't bothered doing it. Thats just failing the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    What's the elephant in the room? Millions of people have had the vax now with no bad side effects... So what's your point,also the article you linked is about a totally different vaccine.

    Also what does it have to do with this thread... What covid measures are going to be permanent and why?

    Currently we are at masks and covid passports which will be permanent until they are not... So not permanent.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    And there it is, the mask slips and the anti-vax speech commences, replete with victim complex.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Hey, any progress finding that evidence you said you had?

    You know where you claimed that asymptomatic infection didn't exist.


    You demanded I provide you with evidence for something, yet you seem to have forgotten this.


    Is it because you can't actually provide the evidence you said you had and aren't honest enough to admit it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Waffle and mischaracterisation.

    No one here has asked for proof.

    We ask for evidence when conspiracy theorists claim things as fact. If they can't provide that evidence then it's their problem and maybe then they shouldn't claim things as fact.


    Nor have I any desire for "Big Pharma" to be the "good guys". What a bizarre thing to claim.


    And again the only people who have attempted to quash questions here have been conspiracy theorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    I already told you that I have so much less than zero respect for you that I won't indulge your nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    When do we call time on this? To date not one poster has given any adequate explanation as to what will be permanent nor why. No credible conspiracy theory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol asking people to back up their claims is "nonsense"?


    You demanded evidence from me man. You've been asked repeatedly to provide your own.


    But you keep dodging and crying about how you don't have to.

    I'm sure this tactic works on other kids, but for adults they see right through it.

    You were lying. You have no evidence to support your claim that asymptomatic infection doesn't exist. That claim is also a lie.

    Telling fibs is wrong man. Why do it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    I think if they're still dodging and deflecting by the time it hits 250 pages the thread should be closed.

    Now it's just become a dumping ground for any antivaxx rambling that's rightly not allowed anywhere else.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Just pretend that King Mob isn't listening anyway and tell the rest of us about your evidence. We promise we won't mention it to them if it makes you feel happier about it, but the rest of us would like to hear your case too.


    Why won't you tell us?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    When it goes back to normal..

    It was supposed to be 2 weeks like..

    And anyway..the vaccines obviously haven't worked..covid seems to be more prevalent where there were more extensive vaccination programs according to a recent harvardstudy..there was never a vaccine for a coronavirus before..there still isn't..

    That new definition of herd immunity is obviously boll0x too..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    What evidence do you have that the vaccine doesn't work?


    What about the studies that have been provided repeated that shoe the vaccines are effective?


    Are you just going to ignore questions again, vanish for a while and then post again when you feel like posting something huffy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "Covid is still around so the vaccines don't work".

    The majority of posters who adhere to Alex Jones style conspiracy thinking are also anti-vaxxers, do you think that's a coincidence?

    Once restrictions are lifted do you think these people will just "change" their views. They won't, they'll just rationalise something else "It was a test", "the real restrictions are coming in the future", "look one country reintroduced a restriction, we told you", etc, etc.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You mean Alex Jones who was telling you it came from that lab a year before anyone else?..

    Who said they were going to lock us all down due to a pandemic in 2011?..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Who spent years claiming Sandy Hook was a hoax, while his listeners harassed the relatives of slain children, then admitted it was all a lie

    The guy who has made millions from his conspiracies, you believe that piece of ****?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well, was he right about the lab?..



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They're making the frogs gay too..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    That study does not support you claim that the vaccines don't work.


    That study says:

    " Importantly, other non-pharmacological prevention efforts (e.g., the importance of basic public health hygiene with regards to maintaining safe distance or handwashing, promoting better frequent and cheaper forms of testing) needs to be renewed in order to strike the balance of learning to live with COVID-19 in the same manner we continue to live a 100 years later with various seasonal alterations of the 1918 Influenza virus."


    Do you agree with this part of the conclusion?



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well, it's being as pro vaccine as possible while recognising the evidence..

    If the high vaccine take up areas are still high covid areas they're not working..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Yup. The one who sells brain force pills and claims there's a conspiracy to turn frogs gas. That's the guy.

    Is he back in the good graces of conspiracy theorists now? I thought the go was that he was a dis-info agent meant to make you guys look bad?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    That doesn't say that vaccines don't work though.


    It talks about cases being unrelated to vaccination levels, doesn't look like they compared to hospitalisations or deaths at all. Highly vaccinated populations are likely to be living under less restrictions, so cases are likely to rise. The important but as far as health services is concerned is hospitalisations and deaths. The important bit as far as national economies is cases and what local government they expect you to do in terms of isolation and staying off work.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You could probably do with some 'super male vitality' King Mob..

    You might do something else rather than argue about conspiracy theories on the Internet all day..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    What do you mean it's "bring pro-vaccine as possible"?


    Where does it say that vaccines don't work? Please quote the part that does.


    Do you agree with the part of the conclusion that states that masks and social distancing are required long term?

    Why did you ignore when I asked you this in the last post?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob




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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    https://www.bitchute.com/video/AIyEl63FcGxx/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Christ



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Sorry man, no one is going to watch another bitchute link dump.

    Especially when you're doing it as a defensive action because you aren't able to articulate your own opinion.


    You claimed that vaccines don't work.

    Where's your evidence for this?

    What about the studies you've been provide that show that the vaccines are effective? Have you not read them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,688 ✭✭✭storker


    Useless and inane questions like "Please provide some details about the conspiracy for other posters and readers here in the Conspiracy Theories forum."

    You couldn't make it up, could you. Oh wait, they do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭ohnohedidnt


    On the surveillance, I was just making the point that western governments can and do impose these Orwellian measures on their population, it's not directly related to Covid, just an example to show what they are willing to do for "our own good". And I wouldn't agree that the democracy highlighted the capability, it was largely Ed Snowden who had to flee and is living in exile ever since. Nobody wants to be China, so where do we draw the line to prevent it?

    Some people are scared of Covid, and worried about the health service and that's perfectly rational, they support lockdowns and restrictions, and it makes sense to them. If you just try to look at things through the eyes of people who aren't that worried about Covid, or terrorists, surely you see that from their point of view, mass surveillance, lockdowns, restrictions, being asked for "papers", having travel restricted, being forced or coerced to take government issued drugs, these are all giant steps closer to how a regime like China operates, Combine that with a growing number of people who think Socialism will work if we try it again, and we're not a million miles away from repeating some of the mistakes of history.

    And just to clarify, I'm not saying that's what's happening, or likely to happen, I'm just making the point that if it was to happen, this is how it would go down, some boogeyman, like a virus that kills a miniscule % of the people it infects would be blown out of proportion and draconian measures would be put in place for our won good.



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