Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

"Fairly", not "absolutely". 😉

My position hasn't changed, ultimately. I don't agree that it was necessary to extend the emergency legislation, and I still don't see any rationale at this point for pushing back the date of opening up. Cases going up or not, there's nothing left to wait for. Even if we can keep a lid on cases now, you're just pushing it further down the road.

Previously there was reason to wait. Every country was struggling, finding new treatments and techniques, there was some faint hope that it could be managed, and anyway vaccines were coming. That's all gone now. Everyone else is moving on, we've rolled out our vaccines. Game over.

Maybe it's excessive optimism on my part, but basically I don't see any logical reason for delaying it. Cases will rise and the health system will struggle one way or another.

I don't subscribe the belief that the government are aiming to keep us all restricted indefinitely, because that too has no logical basis, no purpose.

Always amuses me when you post these dump and run comments

Do you feel your opinion is genuinely superior?

Very rare . Mainly those with allergies to the components ( polyethylene glycolate or polysorbate) not the actual vaccines . Often people can get a viral vector if they are allergic to the PEG in mRNA vaccines or vice versa but would need to be assessed and recommended by their treating consultant , as viral vectors may not be ideal for their age group , availability is also an issue now .

Some people with cardiac myopathy are restricted in the vaccines they can get , as mRNA can cause myocarditis and pericarditis .

Some neurological conditions are restricted also in the vaccine they can get .

Very few people can not take any of the vaccines at all though .

The vaccines are not live so even those with severe immunodeficiency can get them . However timing has to be regulated between immunosuppressive therapy for safety and also for effectiveness . Hard to do as many of these people will be on monthly or bi monthly treatment , and many if these are now getting an extra dose.

Anyone severely unwell or with a high fever would not be vaccinated until their condition settles .

Looking for the PUP free money

Everyone else moved on months ago, not now. We rolled out most of our vaccines months ago as well of course

Protecting the health service was the reason in the past, has this changed??

25% of our ICU beds are occupied with Covid patients

I'm struggling to understand the theory behind those who think it wasn't safe to reopen last July but it is now

25% Covid patients in ICU ....that takes a lot more than 25% ICU staff away from general ICU .

Or do you think staff can just walz between the 2 units ? Or that Covid care is the same as general ICU care ...

Now who's spouting ....., Fintan?

And sorry , who's saying it's not safe to open up ?

Edit . I see you are saying that was in July .

Yes , we had 50% vaccinated and many vulnerable over 60s and high risk people who got AZ were only getting their second jabs . Some on here can tell you they did not get theirs till August , so it wasn't safe .

It is blindingly obvious this week what could have happened if we had opened up then , except to those most stuck in their antirestriction rhetoric that they can't move on and admit that .

Our situation is so different now , but unfortunately we still have vulnerable unvaccinated people getting sick as well as a smaller amount of breakthrough infections in vulnerable vaccinated .

I still think we should be opening up now , but with Covid certs , masks in certain situations .

Are they implying that we use a Europe-wide vaccine cert for internal use?

Is that why they seem intent on keeping it running?

How long exactly do they intend on keeping this thing operating.

That tweet opens quite a few worrying questions.

I didn’t state it was hospital admissions from a few days ago. I stated that a two thirds to one third figure was being used as a vaccinated v unvaccinated stat. It was also used by Norma Foley this morning on Claire Byrne - Byrne did point out it was ICU figures she was quoting.

What’s your point? Do you disagree with mine?

It's 2 different stats. 1 is overall admissions to hospital and the other is the percentage of those in ICU so two thirds of those in ICU are unvaccinated.

Dr Henry's comments are available online,

"He said this has been underlined by the figures concerning hospital admissions. Over 40% of those hospitalised are unvaccinated but they only constitute about 8% of the adult population."

There seems to be some sort of confusion in general as to the breakdown, I'm not sure why, maybe too many people commenting publicly and it's confusing themselves and others, who knows

You misunderstood

Seamus is saying its now safe to open despite 25% of ICU occupied with Covid patients

That's with 70 in ICU and 400 in hospital

Lets take a look at the figures on July 17th 2021.

22 in ICU and 78 in hospital

At that time many here argued with me that it was not safe to relax measures at the time in line with other EU countries, but those same people are saying its now safe at the present time to reopen on Friday.

So has the penny finally dropped? Because if its safe now, it was safe months ago

Knowing we had superior vaccination rates to our EU neighbours last Summer, what exactly would have happended?

Are we still of the belief Irish Covid was more dangerous?

PS: The late vaccine outliers on boards is very suspect. Vulnerable not vaccinated until August, pro lockdowners Id imagine

No sorry I did at first , but read my edited post if you will . I have been saying it for weeks now .

But nobody seems to read a post to its end ( myself included on that last one !)

Every vaccinated person will get the booster ... especially if access to pints are threatened