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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Barring a major scandal involving one of their members, NPHET are here to stay for the foreseeable.. I can’t see them being gone til at least May 2022.

    We are at the point where an academic lecturer is now allowed tell our population what they can or can’t do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    NPHET, representing the woeful health service, mirrors our government. For too long the establishment (capital "S" State and all who work for her) have been creaming off the productive parts of the economy for themselves and we have ended up in this dreadful situation where the country is at a standstill on issues to do with housing and infrastructure, while it spins around in circles on matters relating to health and politics. Meanwhile, ordinary people try to just get on with their lives. It's gross incompetence on the part of successive FF and FG governments, which has lead to the current situation and I think we need to see them being called out for the way they are allowing this country to fall apart.

    At the same time, Irish people are almost masochistic and very simple-minded when it comes to authority so I do not expect there to be much by way of complaints if the status quo with respect to covid restrictions gets retained for another few months. For those that are really suffering emotionally and financially from the whole thing, they have my sympathies as this is very much an artificial crisis at this stage and manufactured by our spineless politicians.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Whats happening in the world these days is truly scary and I am not talking about Covid.

    Imagine in late 2019 being told that people in Italy would be forced to get vaccinated against a disease before they could get a job. Or that you'd need to show your vaccine papers to have a cup of tea in Ireland. Or that you'd have nut jobs suggesting that 4 year old children should wear masks all day long at school...

    Or that you'd have Irish people saying the unvaccinated can get F*cked while some poor pregnant woman is reluctant to get vaccinated because god forbid she's worried about the health of her unborn child.

    Imagine seeing all the footage of people rioting just because they'd like to have their freedoms returned.

    This disease has turned us into monsters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭bloopy


    What is happening in the media and the online discourse it is creating is getting out of hand.

    We need proper, open and full statistics of what is happening in Irish hospitals.

    Not this **% since April first.

    Daily or at least weekly figures on vaccination status both admissions and discharges.

    Information on whether admission is due to covid or if covid is in addition to another condition.

    Length of stay in hospital or icu

    Checking vaccination status of cases reported.

    Vaccination status of weekly deaths.

    Whether deaths are because of covid or with covid.

    If we don't start getting open information soon, then we are heading down a very dark path. Already there are some who are just a hairs breath from demanding special camps - both on here and in the Irish media



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There are consultants in both Holles St and Rotunda advising pregnant women not to get vaccinated. So while we have one side of the mouth giving out about the rates of vax in pregnant women being low, one side is also telling them not to get it, as I quote one consultant, “the side effects on the fetus are just not known”.

    These are a small but sizeable minority of the unvaxxed that apparently we have to tell to “get fvcked” as one poster said.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Sounds like a New Worid Order


    best I thought was Razor Ramon



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Exactly. There is nowhere near enough research on this vaccine's impact on pregnancy or fertility.

    I can fully understand why pregnant women or women hoping to get pregnant in the near future might be reluctant to take it.

    Telling them to get f*cked or cutting them off from society is simply cruel.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And some people are allergic to ingredients in the vaccinations.

    Are they supposed to risk a fatal reaction.

    The rhetoric being whipped up against our neighbours and friends is horrendous.

    Even if every single person in the country is vaccinated covid will still be transmitted and the elderly will get sick and die.

    If there wasnt talk about opening up further would there be this scare mongering, everything was jelly and pudding last week, what has changed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭PhoneMain


    Yeah I dont believe this. Maybe theres one consultant going off on a solo run but the vast majority of obstetricians recommend covid vaccination in pregnant women. They'd likely be aware of the impact Covid itself has on pregnant women, it leaves them at higher risk of severe diesease and death (this was also previously the case with flu!). But what would I know, I only talk to obstetricians and doctors regularly. If there is a consultant who has doubts, maybe they should consult with the RCOG.......


    https://www.rcog.org.uk/covid-vaccine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    Swab numbers poor again today

    Tony is going to be very very angry



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    Looks I somehow stumbled into the conspiracy forum 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    so lucky its not in schools dodged a bullet there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,943 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Plank? He knows full well what he is doing and saying, they need a scapegoat and the minority 8% unvaccinated are it.

    The real problem is that so many are buying it hook, line and sinker.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you asked a consultant out straight if they could guarantee that the vaccine wouldn’t harm the fetus and they said yes then they’d be lying.

    In that situation they’d have to be honest and admit they don’t know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,943 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Conspiracy theories like "Restrictions will not all be lifted on the 22nd October as promised".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Well at least the vaccines passes will be kept for longer regardless of restrictions . That should put manners on the antivaxxers. If ye anti vaxxers think you’re going to get an easy ride going forward think again. Get used to it.

    The vaccines work and there’s no alternative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I see we're back to October 2020's talking points, "It's all a big scam, most of these infections aren't real", "Infections are the government's fault", "It's all a plot to assert a New World Order".

    Any road, swab numbers are in today and they and positivity rates appear to be stablising around late Aug/early Sept levels, no doubt as a result of the phased return to work.

    My gut feeling is that an "abundance of caution" pause or delay next Friday will leave the Government with serious egg on their face when it has absolutely **** all effect on case numbers or hospitalisations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Put manners on the anti vaxxers?

    You are talking about normalising having to show papers every time we want to go for a bloody pint and you think it is great because the unvaccinated might be inconvenienced.

    You are fighting a windmill and missing the bloody great dragon standing beside it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,617 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Most anti-vaxxers obviousiy arent bothered by it, otherwise they would have gotten vaccinated by now.

    So you're just punishing the rest of the country to spite them. Cutting off your nose to spite your face



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Its strange, we were also told at the end of August, that with the schools coming back and 10% positivity that we would be at thousands of cases per day by now. And here we are, at a virtually identical position to 6 weeks ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    No i’m not fighting anything. I have done enough research on these vaccines to form my opinion. It’s unacceptable nearly 70% in icu are unvaccinated. So take your medicine. The fact Leo giving soundbites about it could be an indication of sanctions down the road for people refusing to take it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭floorpie


    Have you learned what relative risk reduction is yet, and why your big French study doesn't show what you think it shows?

    Rising cases have nothing to do with vaccination status per se, except that vaccinated people are likely spreading the virus through reduced restrictions more than unvaccinated people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    The vaccines significantly reduce your chances of getting seriously ill full stop. You either think the vaccines work or they don’t so which is it? Yes or no?



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Very dangerous territory for society. A dark path to go down



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭floorpie


    They reduce somewhat, and do not prevent infection and transmission. Hence there are more vaccinated people in hospital now than unvaccinated people this time last year.

    Rising cases are the issue, and this isn't influenced primarily by vaccination status.

    If the country focuses on total vaccination as the primary means of ending restrictions, we will be in this exact scenario this time next year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    You are comparing a completely pointless metric. I’ll repeat but you’re not getting it. If you’re vaccinated your SIGNIFICANTLY reducing your chances of becoming seriously ill and clogging the health system.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,283 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009




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