Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

They are playing a dangerous and divisive game on radio one at the moment.

To force those who have not yet gotten the vaccine requires going beyond what may be acceptable.

How do we keep getting played like this every time there is supposed to be a lifting of restrictions.

You've managed to completely miss the point (and the fact that you're harping on about another anti-vax buzzword "relative risk reduction" is telling, you should be using ARR, but you probably know that but like numbers that look like they might backup your batsh*t theories).

We are opening up based on the capacity of the healthcare system, as our hospital and ICU numbers have been remaining relatively static, this allows more and more to open up, if the numbers in hospital goes up, then restrictions remain in place until that wave of infections passes then we continue opening again.

You are using that number as a sign that vaccines aren't working, this is a false assumption to be making.

Good to see you have backed down on your "vaccines don't reduce transmission" claims.

No not according to me at all. So stop using that stupid analogy. I know lots of people who had heart attacks and had great care pre covid despite all the smokers and what have you out there.

You know perfectly well that Covid is the main threat to icu beds and if you’re vaccinated you’re far less likely to be that burden. Keep burying your head in the sand.

Please stop misrepresenting what I'm saying. It's strange that you're calling 'relative risk reduction' an antivax buzzword. ARR is not used for interventions such as vaccination but perhaps it should be. If it were, it'd show how much of a non-issue COVID-19 for most demographics (i.e. you would instead be saying that vaccination offers ~0.5% protection for some cohorts, using ARR)

Everybody understands this

The numbers are showing that vaccination as the main preventative measure is not working, not me.

I have my doubts about that i had a pleasure of been in a maternity hospital recently and they seemed to have rooms dedicated to Covid Cases. I didn't ask any questions but these rooms were labelled as Red Zones and the nurses were gowning up fully going into them

He tends to comment on current trends and back then it looked like that. He also said they'll have more data by Monday.

Old and vaccinated are still higher risk than young and unvaccinated

Yes I agree, however seeing as their stats span from April right up to present (when majority of population were unvaccinated) its sure to skew the figures one way, toward more unvaccinated being in ICU, because most people werent vaccinated earlier in the year.

We need short term stats to figure out what the admission rates are now, but we arent getting any (other than your comparison between 1st and latest HPSC report)

18 months in, some of the longest lockdowns and most restrictions on the planet, one of the highest vaccinations rates on the planet...

"We could do more"

The gaslighting people have normalised in this pisshole is unreal.

The ability of NPHET and this government to communicate effectively during this has been terribly substandard at times. NPHET you can understand to a certain extent, as it is not necessarily their area of expertise but government ministers and departments really have no excuse with the number of advisors they have to hand.

What Nolan is attempting to do is to persuade more of the unvaccinated to sign up, but they cannot get past messaging that tends to be aimed at the whole population. 

We are probably also at the point where we do need better explanations and data about what's going on in terms of cases. It can no longer be down to people being “complacent” or needing to do more.

Yes i do have an axe to grind with the so called antivaxxers. My tolerance for them is on thin ice. They are complete morons. Unless you have a genuine reason that you can’t take the vaccine there’s no excuse.

i already know someone who died because they refused to take it.