Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

No, the pinch point is the added pressure on an already stretched service , especially by unvaccinated .

They are desperately trying to encourage that last bunch to get vaccinated , that's it really . And more staff !

There is no agenda other than that .

Are you ignoring my post , and making a different point to the one we were discussing?

They were and they did ...

That was when most of our population were not vaccinated . Would have been many more inhospital very sick if we had not maintained some restrictions during the summer . Do you still deny that ?

Do you still not recognise that vaccinations here made the difference ?

That is why restrictions are of no further use ,except to those unvaccinated , but as they won't want them , should we restrict everybody else at this stage to protect that minority?

I don't think so. But they will still put pressure on the health services , those that get seriously ill.

But that is an unfixable situation except they all get a change of heart and get jabbed, and continuing restrictions will not make any difference at this stage , unlike earlier in the Summer .

Willing to bet that all those you know getting breakthrough infections , or at least most of them if no underlying conditions , are mild . The more seriously ill who need ICU are mainly unvaccinated .

There are many sick in Covid wards who because of their comorbidities would have been in ICU or worse were it not for being vaccinated

I agree with the rest of your post though .

I never said it wasn't . Jeez some people don't know how to read a post from start to finish . I said it could be outbreaks AS WELL but outbreaks do not make up a 20% increase . Those numbers are way more than one outbreak although of course some hospitals definitely do have some transmission in house .

But less and less since vaccinations , and community transmission decreased .

It is not widespread though generally and accounts for a minority of hospital cases at present , unless there has been a major outbreak somewhere that we don't know yet .

What is head in the sand is saying " Ah yes , all hospital transmission " .

Maybe an increased risk, but covid is still killing elderly people with underlying conditions irrespective of vaccine status...from the HSE data only 50 unvaccinated people out of a total 301 people have died since April...the other 251 people were either fully vaccinated or partially vaccinated..the HSE are insisting on providing this back to April the first , when most people were either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated ...I would love to see this data on a monthly basis ...

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/vaccinationstatusweeklyreports/

Key points  Between April 1st and September 25th 2021 • 301 persons with a laboratory confirmed COVID-19 infection, were notified to the Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC) as died due to COVID-19. • 153/301 (50.8%) deaths were notified in persons who were not vaccinated or not registered as vaccinated on Ireland’s national COVID-19 immunisation system (COVAX). • 148/301 (49.2%) deaths were notified in persons who had received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine prior to death. • 103/301 (34.2%) of the notified deaths had an epidemiological date1 14 days or more after receiving all recommended doses of vaccine and are considered as vaccine breakthrough infections