Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Lads ... remember the vaccine doesn't prevent covid cases, it alleviates the worst effects of covid for the recipient...so equating our record vaccination to cases is pointless ... something else is going on and even Leo admitted in the interview, they don't know for sure why this is happening...it has being said numerous times in this thread....I think it's the Peltzman effect and after the 22th this will only increase..

That and the fact that we are entering the suspected vaccine waning window especially for medical staff

More discharges than admissions to hospital yesterday yet the numbers in hospitals have gone up, clearly people are catching it in hospitals.

It'd be nice if the media would report on this rather than just giving the big scary hospital numbers. The concept of journalism seems alien to our media though so not that surprising.

I find it a little odd that it's just RTE running these headlines today. Would have expected the indo etc to jump on board but nothing yet

If you compare Ireland to other countries in Europe, we all have the same spike of cases for each of the waves.

However, in between waves our case rate per 100000 drops down to extremely low levels. Other countries see a drop between waves but the incidence rate per 100000 is a good bit higher than ours.

Is it possible that our lockdowns have been too effective? As in, Europe had a higher, but manageable case rate between spikes allowing for a larger proportion of their population to be exposed to the virus. Maybe they have a higher rate of natural immunity than we do.

didnt someone say in the restrictions thread that a member of Nphet is married to someone in RTE? possible source??

@FintanMcluskey wrote:

Because nothing is changing.

Any time that's been said before, cases have either been reducing or there has been something happening to bring them down; i.e. lockdowns or vaccines. So giving more time for cases to come down made sense.

But right now, nothing is changing. There will be no new restrictions and materially no increase in vaccination rates. Therefore no reason to expect cases to drop, and therefore no logic behind sitting around waiting for them to drop.

Good to see

Hospital numbers are increasing

The very metric used as justification for restrictions up to now has been hospital numbers, and you say nothing is changing.

I can be accused of a lot of things but I've been consistent throughout this, this was a dangerous precedent for us to accept what we have accepted all Summer in Ireland with our vaccination rates.

If the reopening goes ahead as planned, which I hope it does, and if you agree with the reopening, its an admittance you've been wrong in justifying restriction's in Ireland for about the past 6 months, or at least since HCW's and the most vulnerable were vaccinated.(I think about April)

If we can reopen now, its an admittance our policy has been criminally wrong for months.

Took them long enough to latch onto it.

MM in the Dail not seeming to worried, ministers at a budget press conference this afternoon saying they expect it to go ahead. The gov position at this moment in time looks to be to go ahead.

Personally I think it'll take place, would I be surprised if vaccine passes were kept for pubs & clubs, probably not but it would really just be for show at this stage, haven't had mine checked in a while now

I notice in the Indo version that they say that the CMO will be back from leave on Monday for that meeting, something some people may see as a sign for the worst! Elsewhere in the Indo they suggest that we could have 2000+ cases today.

God forbid someone takes some annual leave

Limerick was a mess of a hospital ever before Covid came along. Look at the trolley numbers in Limerick pre Covid. It is the main hospital for the entire mid-west region so I don’t think your analysis that lower vaccination rates is the cause of higher numbers in Limerick. Anyone who was any experience in Limerick hospital isn’t surprised that that hospital seems to get outbreaks regularly.