Heavyweight Boxing

GiftofGab · 10-10-2021 01:18PM

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My scorecard from last night. I had it 93-91 to Fury after the 10th round.

Wilder was very close to getting another knockdown in the 10th. If that happened it would have been even on points going into the 11th.

Points wise this was a closer fight than people think.

walshb · 10-10-2021 01:22PM

AJ-Fury? Still up for grabs...am I alone in thinking that the Usyk fight is not ideal to assess how AJ and Fury goes?

Nor is the Wilder-Fury fight(s)

AJ better boxer and mover than Wilder. Better overall puncher as well. Better variation...

Yes, Fury will, or should start favorite....but won't be at all a foregone conclusion....

I'd back Fury heavier v Usyk than v AJ, style/size wise!

walshb · 10-10-2021 01:24PM

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Yes, but I think fight flow wise it seemed clearer for Fury.....

Wilder won rd 1, could argue rd 2, and a 10-7 rs 4 (despite second KD not being one for me).

May have had a rd or two onto these as well...

squinn2912 · 10-10-2021 01:25PM

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Like that! I didn’t write mine down but I thought Fury won 5th? The big difference is that wilder looked like he was clinging on on borrowed time from 3 on. The end of that 10th was special and he deserves admiration for it. Last stand. I’d love to see wilder in with aj and whyte. That would allow us a way of measuring how good Fury has been.

gypsy79 · 10-10-2021 01:27PM

I think the 5th went to fury. And the 10-7 in 4 is only thing keeping it close. And as many said the second knockdown was a slip

when you see that one of judges didn’t give fury knockdown in 10, one judge giving wilder the second and the fact there are no American challengers then fury’s American career is over. Mad fight there again. He could have been robbed majority draw again

blade1 · 10-10-2021 01:28PM

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Whyte doesn't deserve a shot.

squinn2912 · 10-10-2021 01:28PM

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Why are you calling that not a kd? Fury seemed to think it was. It would have suited wilder much better if it had been ruled a slip but I thought a punch caused it. If you look at the first kd it was long after the punch fury actually went down. Wilder needed a little thing like that to go his way. He hadn’t much luck

gypsy79 · 10-10-2021 01:29PM

fury fights 3 more times

whyte

usyk

retirement pay day for aj

squinn2912 · 10-10-2021 01:29PM

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Haha here we go. He does. Lesser fighters than him have had shots

walshb · 10-10-2021 01:30PM

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Have you misinterpreted me?

the second KD in rd 4.....I don't think that was a knockdown from what I saw...

gypsy79 · 10-10-2021 01:30PM

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Not saying he does but fury won’t see him as threat and everyone else is tied up

banie01 · 10-10-2021 01:31PM

Watched the fight and in addition to the plaudits that everyone is throwing at Fury, I'd add my own. Even with his double knockdown in the 4th, he bossed the fight from the 3rd round on.

My only real additional comment is regarding the simple fact that the fight was let go on far too long IMO.

There were multiple occasions to end that punishment for Wilder before the 11th and from the 7th on in particular. Even late on when Wilder threw a flurry towards the end of a round, he was waving hands and landing pillows rather than punches. He had no offensive power left and his reliance on the power in his right was pointless after the 6th as he was punched out.

There was zero competitive or offensive output from Wilder from the 7th on and he took far too much punishment without inflicting any.

I know it's likely a minority opinion but, I honestly feel that Wilder should have either been halted by his corner, the doc or the ref far before the 11th.

gypsy79 · 10-10-2021 01:32PM

Actually he clearly does deserve a shot after time he spent #1 contender. But whyte wanted aj were he had a shot

section4 · 10-10-2021 01:36PM

fury is just too big for all these guys, simple as that, he is unusual in that he is big but he is not clumsy, he can move like a middlewieght and has a huge weight and height advantage, that fight lst night was a case of a good big man beating a smaller man. really fury has about a 4 stone weight advantage, that is huge, even a hard hitting middlewight would not have the same efect on a heavyweight and so even thiough wilder was able to knock fury down a few times, most of the fight it was obvious that fury was simply too big for him.

i like usyk but fury will beat him easy, he is just too big.

Joshua, another easy fight, fury is too big, too game and too good a boxer for him, plus joshua cant take a clean shot without it affecting him, he was like a rabbit in headlighgts against usyk, no chance against fury.

squinn2912 · 10-10-2021 01:36PM

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No we’re on the same page lad. I thought wilder punched him

blade1 · 10-10-2021 01:40PM

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I would have been scalded if it got stopped.

walshb · 10-10-2021 01:41PM

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Watched it again. Cuffed him back of head and forward momentum. Illegal punch that.

AckwelFoley · 10-10-2021 01:45PM

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Agree. The pre fight hype talk that his career is done is nonsense. He has alot to offer. He needs to fight Dilian White.. Joseph Parker AJ and the likes so we can see where he is at

banie01 · 10-10-2021 01:49PM

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I understand and agree insofar as Wilder in particular would have bellyaches no end too if it was stopped in that manner.

That said, he had zero offensive power after the 7th and was not only boxing on empty but defending himself poorly IMO. Fury dismantled him and exposed him constantly, it was a tough watch after the 7th for me and I was shouting up at the TV to call a halt a few times.

I had no skin in the fight, no money on but Wilder who we always knew was a one trick pony. Was thoroughly beaten, and shown up. It's a defeat that has to led to a bit of reflection tbh. His knock out record is immense, but if all you have is a heavy right and zero ring nous? There needs to be a dose of reality as to where your career can go after what in reality were 3 loses in the trilogy.

blade1 · 10-10-2021 01:53PM

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Still the biggest fight out there and probably still the one the UK public want to see.

squinn2912 · 10-10-2021 01:53PM

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Ah

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Ahh now I get you yea I thought it was behind the ear alright. I suppose that was the wee bit of luck wilder did get

squinn2912 · 10-10-2021 01:55PM

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Exactly. Aura is well gone now and a lot hinges on whether or not he can recover mentally. I’d suggest no. These one dimensional guys rarely do.

blade1 · 10-10-2021 01:56PM

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I would have still won money but don't want wilder banging on with excuses forever.

Massive Berevement · 10-10-2021 01:59PM

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AJ is finished. Never the same after Ruiz 1. The Usyk fight confirmed it. Scared to engage and be hit and that is only going to get worse. He'll not be the same again. Was always overhyped anyway. Sky are great at that. Would like to see him fed to Wilder.

walshb · 10-10-2021 02:14PM

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Nobody can say..can’t be proved.

But one could throw in Tyson, Foreman, Shavers and Lewis as some names that potentially did.

3 of these definitely better overall punchers as well.

Wilder has a right hand straight type power shot. Not much variation at all.

walshb · 10-10-2021 02:19PM

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I’d probably bet on Lewis’ best power shot having more force. Main reasons being his technique, delivery and mass!

and if Lewis was fed all Wilder’s opponents, he too would have knocked them out brutally!

Sandor Clegane · 10-10-2021 02:21PM

I don't see Usyk posing much of a threat to Fury, Usyk is a classy operator but the physical advantages Fury has are just too much IMO, Fury is massive and in incredible shape, Usyk is a cruiser weight turned heavyweight with no real stopping power, Usyk has skill but I think it will be nullified by Fury pretty easily.

AJ looks down and out, doesn't have the skills, he's gun shy and seems to have lost his stopping power, I could see Fury making a fool of him.

walshb · 10-10-2021 02:24PM

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An AJ win over Usyk could be just the tonic needed to reinvigorate his career..

I wouldn’t write him off just yet!

AckwelFoley · 10-10-2021 02:25PM

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George Foreman no question. Foreman dismantled real top notch world champions like Joe Frazier. There was a debate at the time that he was ruining boxing and that he was dangerous. People thought he would kill Ali. Best thing about him is he could re invent himself and did

His KO record is impressive, with netter opponents also

Not to mention he's a real decent guy

walshb · 10-10-2021 02:27PM

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Foreman was arguably hitting harder in the 1990s, as he had more patience, precision and additional weight on his frame.

His 1990 KO of Cooney is probably the most ruthless and cool and effortless I have ever seen. And Cooney was a big man.

Foreman's power was different. It was dull/numbing/ power....

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