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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Are you suggesting putting the vegans in the shed to collect their methane?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    Everything is cloud cuckoo....hurler in the ditch comes to mind, shoots down everyone else but has no idea on what to do. So far apart from bashing every post you haven't given one idea to resolve the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Its fascinating that you think its my problem that the solutions you put forward don't exist outside of the imagination.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You would do well to read beyond the headlines when quoting articles, from that article wind is less than half the price of nuclear and can be dispatched progressively over the 20years it would take to put one nuclear plant onto the grid. These prices for Wind and Solar are still falling whilst Nuclear is still climbing. Wait 20years to save your carbon and mean while continue putting out all the emissions from fossil fuels. This also makes it massively easier to finance wind compared to Nuclear and when its difficult to finance its you the end user who ultimately shoulders the costs. Governments have to underwrite every single nuclear power plant that gets built and continue underwriting their insurance for the duration of their operational life and beyond. No wonder the market has abandoned Nuclear like a bad case of the clap.


    "And practically everywhere else around the world, the consistently declining costs of solar and wind energy as technology improves have made fools of investors putting money into nuclear, which has a tendency to cost more than expected. Continual delays and cost increases at just a single nuclear power station, the U.K.’s Hinkley C, even as new offshore wind farms barrel through new low-cost milestones, have confronted the country’s nuclear advocates with some frightening numbers. Prices for new wind power delivered by 2025 were set in September at £40 per megawatt hour, while power from Hinkley C is expected to cost £92.50 per megawatt hour."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭Arealred


    Before covid, public transport at peak times was oversubscribed and at a dangerous level on rail and luas, yet fares only went up. Another example of Eamon Ryan and the Greens policies which are bonkers. If Greens are serious about public transport particularly in Dublin commuter belt they need to add capacity and reduce fares.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    Personally I think investing in trains and metro would be better but this was already announced. Please note this was done prior to Greens getting into government but the plan is in place.

    Dublin bus also made plans before for hubs like Blanchardstown, so everyone went into the hub and then they had direct buses into city centre. This was rejected by commuters

    Today FM yesterday had a good discussion on these v trains.




  • Posts: 275 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    could always throw them in too, I don't think I'd be a fan of their milk though



  • Posts: 389 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can barely find Irish grown apples in supermarket's, shelves of stuff from Europe, South America etc.

    We haven't a hope In hell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,284 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It's really bad, sometimes impossible to even get European apples.

    If you have space join the fight back.

    This great bunch of people have saved many native varieties and can supply trees.




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  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tell me how you dispatch a nuclear power plant when its down for 3-6 months for maintenance ? You need at least three nuclear power plants for reliable supply and at least one of those will always be lying idle. Thats a very expensive plant to have sitting on standby and when you need it its going to take days to ramp up.


    Meanwhile offshore wind is reliable, we should be investing in it. Also we already have a pumped storage but we need multiple pumped storage for the grid (whatever grid we have).


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Ireland


    This is a really interesting picture which illustrates the difference between strategic sighting of wind farms (NI) and haphazard connections to the grid (Southern Ireland), we have some of the highest levels of wind install in the world but 90% of it is in the wrong place - it should all be clustered on the west coast. This is what happens when we allow Eirgrid to dictate who and where wind farms can be built. The Irish approach to alternatives so far has been pathetic and dishonest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,706 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Nuclear plants do not shut down for 3-6 months annually. The go off-line for 2 months every 2 years for refueling and maintenance.

    We are quite happy to take nuclear power from France over the next few years because of the unreliability of our own output. With no Plan B for where our needs will come from if we ever get to 70% from renewables, (basically just wind), when the wind drops, where effectively the national grid will be empty, then where do we go then. Back begging the French for more and paying through the nose for it ?

    Interconnectors work both ways. Had we a nuclear plant we could get the shortage due to being off-line for 2 months every 2 years from France, and when their plants are off-line for the same, we could return what we borrowed over 2 years. It would cost us nothing and only require 8% of the nuclear energy we produced annually.

    A win win as we are going to be depending on France to make up the shortfall for the foreseeable anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    It is worth noting from the latest opinion poll the Greens seem to be back up to the support levels they had for the election so some people at least believe a Greener future is better



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    Why build a nuclear play at the cost of billions and the required CO2 output to build it of course when we can hook into existing. As I said already the plan for Europe is to have a huge network between everyone and share electricity to meet demands, Brexit of course has hit some issues as the North Sea was the ideal location for wind turbines but alternatives available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    I wonder how many of Ryan's supporters will still be smiling when the lights go out.

    It was stated on rte this week that with the closure of some gas stations and the closing of the peat burning facilities we burned just underhalf as much coal more this year than last to make up the shortfall.

    Perhaps someone will have the exact figures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Plenty of people whove had school teachers that spend a decade and a half convincing them that the world is going to end and only Eamonn can save us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Telling us that nuclear is less reliable than wind. You couldnt dream it up. Unless you're Eamonn 😂


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,424 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Nuclear is not 'unreliable' It can be fully relied upon to be out of operation for about a month every 18 months for re-fuelling and maintenance operations, but all energy infrastructure has planned downtime

    And then there are the unplanned outages. A resilient grid has many eggs in multiple different baskets with interconnectors linking them all to each other for multiple redundancies

    Ireland can build a grid based mostly on wind if we are connected to a bigger grid that includes nuclear in their mix.

    Nuclear for Ireland is not practical because we are too small and the lead times to plan, design, build, commission test and operate a nuclear power station is measured in decades, time that we don't have if we are to meet our responsibilities and get to carbon neutrality

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    not quite the same but planning refused for anearobic digestion plant for slurry in north kerry which would provide 500MW of electricity.

    Proposed AD facility for north Kerry refused planning permission for a 2nd time (agriland.ie)

    also every sewage works should be doing this as well

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    These are the same lads who wanted to build a huge LNG site in Kerry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Who said I'm suggesting nuclear for Ireland? I wouldnt trust us to build or run one. The Greens have a problem with nuclear across the board despite their claims that the world is about to end

    But here's an idea, if Ireland is too small for nuclear, we're also too small to be carbon neutral without putting the country into the ditch, so **** that for a game of cowboys



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Has anyone looked into how the Irish wind turbine blades are disposed of? They have to be replaced every 10 years, and are not recyclable so they go into landfill. In Ireland’s case I’m willing to bet they get put on a boat, burning oil all the way to SE Asia, like our other ‘recycling’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Like the ship loads of peat moss that has to be imported into the country from now on. Massive container ships and God knows how many hgv lorries are involved on both sides.


    Totally mental if anyone thinks this is improving carbon emissions.

    Its probably tripled, quadrupled or more the end outcome of a bag of plant soil???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,706 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    By your logic that opinion poll shows that 93% of people do not favour Green Party policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    That’s a different issue, but peat moss should just be outright banned at this stage. A unique ecosystem gone forever for a few poxy garden plants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,353 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Interesting question, perhaps some of the Green Party members on the thread might be able to shed some light on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Not a different issue at all.

    Seems to me that it's ok to destroy peat and bogland in another country and get it here no matter what the emissions.

    Out of sight out of mind springs to mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,706 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I`m neither for opposed to us building a nuclear plant, but the attempts by the Green party and their supporters to close down any conversation on nuclear when we now see that with just one power plant off-line for maintenance the only option is importing nuclear is hypocritical in the extreme. Especially when we are being chastised by green party supporters of taking advantage of countries where individual carbon footprints are lower than ours. No worries it seems on that score when it comes to nuclear and the risks to others to supply our needs.

    We now have 30% of our energy needs from wind power. I have repeatedly asked what happens when we are at 70% and the wind drops with us having shut down even more power plants we just import more energy ? That would leave us at the mercy of others and it is naive in the extreme to believe that a shortfall will be made up by someone somewhere flipping a switch when we need it and we will be showered with green energy alone. Quite simply if all others follow the path we are on and shut down conventional plants the energy will not be there when we need it,

    As to the cost of building a nuclear plant, has the state not been forking out close to half a billion a year from taxpayers money and household charges on an E.U. CSO on energy policy even before these new tariffs ?



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  • Posts: 275 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    well there's me thinking it was just a witty brain fart, not an actual thing



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