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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No, "owning the libtards" is all that matters. 700,000 Americans dead, more than in the spanish flu in a world with vastly superior healthcare and for 10- months now, availability of an effective vaccine. At the end of the day, all the matters is a Pyrrhic victory over the libs



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In times of the Spanish flu etc life expectancy would have been about sixty years.

    We are talking now about the deaths of people in their late eighties and nineties.

    I have relatives in the States, they arent fussed about the high numbers of deaths of the very elderly, its dog eat dog out there and the economy trumps everything.

    Trump wasnt annilated at the polls and if vaccines had arrived a bit earlier he would still be President.

    The Americans will do exactly the same again should another pandemic come, I would stop fretting about them if I was you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump



    The population of America that time was around 90 million, lot of news networks fail to mention it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    I don't think anyone is fretting about what the yanks are doing tbh, let them at it. I think most normal people are just hopeful that that level of thinking and empathy (or lack of) some states have doesn't permeate over here too much.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There is no welfare safety net in the States,no such thing as Local Authorities buying luxury apartments in nice areas for people who dont work.

    Everyone who can afford it pays for private health insurance,thats the way the system works.

    There were very little tears shed for the very elderly who died and I doubt if any national day of mourning or extra bank holidays are being talked about, Most US citizens get very little annual leave and many work into their eighties. Its everyone for themselves out there,its an enormous country and per capita was their death rate much worse than ours.

    Its time for us to get on with things now, we have thousands waiting for elective procedures and thousands more with undiagnosed cancer, its ludicrous to be suggesting we should give health care staff extra leave or more money for doing their job in a pandemic,by all means give them a one for all voucher for a 100euros, at least that money will be spent locally so the shop owners who had their doors closed for months can make a few bob.

    Its not lack of empathy thats making people question why we shut the country for so long, its asking ourselves what it was all about, closing construction when we havent enough houses, closing driver testing centres to the general public and now we have huge waiting lists,closing schools to even special needs children and closing respite services for adults with special needs and sending them home to drive elderly parents to despair, the fallout will go on and on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,168 ✭✭✭✭Eod100




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,243 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Someone in this thread last week predicted we would get below 1000 this week. 892 today, I didn't think we would for some months, fair play we are in the right direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    Yep, once we are no longer testing close contacts in schools, numbers were always going to nosedive. Pretty inevitable really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    It really hasn't made much difference so far in terms of positive swabs, test numbers down alright, likely to reflect the change.

    Will take a few days to see what the testing levels are like

    Either way does anyone really care anymore what the daily cases are


    Today

    Last week




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    Despite any dancing around the head of a pin on it, that fact that we've suddenly hit less than a 1000 cases per day 10 days after we stop testing close contacts in schools is no coincidence. Also, it's no coincidence that the last time we hit less than a 1000 cases a day was about 2 weeks after all schools had also closed for the summer. When all this is over, historical graphs will ultimately show the strong link between schools open, family outbreaks significantly increasing - schools closed, family outbreaks significantly dropping off. Historians and the like will very much show the trajectory of this when the history of this pandemic is written. History will very much show that and in spite of any mental gymnastics that some folk will go to in the here and now to deny any thoughts whatsoever of schools being a significant site of transmission.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Has anyone any theories as to why numbers are dropping but hospital cases creeping up ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,122 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    No, but there is always a time lag between the two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,422 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    There's been a pretty strong link between anything opening and cases going up, then things closing and cases going down, schools no exception apart from the fact that most school age people aren't that vulnerable to SARS-COV2. Schools are also the last thing to close and first to open in a priority order of getting a country up and running, so if we want retail, cinema, offices, construction etc. open, then schools need to be open safely first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭mollser


    Seems to be serious hospital outbreaks in UHL and Drogheda, their numbers have shot up the past few days. Don't think it's off much concern tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭Timmyr


    I dont know why that would be funny?

    Either way, that is a misleading article, Jacinda explicitly said in that press conference that we are not dropping the zero covid policy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    it’s very funny! She condoned the rest of the world except for Australasian countries for the way we controlled/contained the virus! It’s grand when your in the back end of the earth but not for Europe etc! She made an example of Ireland as a bad boy in the class but hey we’re basically done with our vaccination programme, no restrictions except for masks after the 22nd of October. Now she’s saying zero covid isn’t attainable after all her judging. She’s saying the vaccines are making her feel this way but in reality they were the perfect exponents of zero covid due to the remoteness of the country. Hence why I laugh. She was pointing the finger at a country/countries that had open borders in a huge area for not doing zero covid!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,053 ✭✭✭✭fits


    You have a strange sense of humour. NZ will have to move on from zero covid eventually. But it has worked very well for them.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Schools were not the last to close, they closed in March 2020 and didn’t open till September, people do like to rewrite history.

    They then closed in January and some students didn’t set foot in a classroom till April.

    Third level students lost eighteen months of college.

    We kept doing same old, same old,just a few more weeks crap instead of learning from other countries, eg snake oil comments re antigen tests instead of using these tests as an added tool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    The positivity for close contacts in schools was very low anyway, less than 5%. So cases aren't suddenly going to plummet from not testing close contacts in schools.

    People were complaining how often kids were being tested and missing school. Now they don't have to miss school unless they are sick.

    Kids are not particularly susceptible to becoming very ill with covid and most of the population are vaccinated which further reduces the risk of transmission and infection.

    It was the right decision to stop testing close contacts in schools. It was not a significant source of cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,652 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.



    It looks like vaccination rates have no impact on the spread and transmission rates of covid whatsoever




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,422 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    That study is complete junk even to my untrained eye, it doesn't account for restrictions or lockdowns and says this in it's conclusion making it read like a propaganda piece:

    In summary, even as efforts should be made to encourage populations to get vaccinated it should be done so with humility and respect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    I don’t, it’s the fact we’ve had ISAG and independent SAGE in the UK constantly and I mean constantly parading NZ to nauseating rhetoric that I’ve began to laugh at NZ and Australia. We don’t have MHQ anymore 75% of our population fully vaccinated with many more already had covid or boosters as well! All in all as much as I hated NPHETs approach! It’s got us to now and only having masks as a restriction in the short term after the 22nd of October I’ll get over. This is coming from a lad that has to wear a mask for 50 hours a week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,928 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Sorry but I disagree with you on this occasion and agree with JP100.

    I have said all along that this decision is not a good one for children and for observation of the main group left unvaccinated .

    I totally agree that if they are not sick / symptomatic they should not have to stay out from school but some caution is needed .

    If my kids were young I would want to know if they were close contacts and if they were likely to pick it up , so I could protect them if I chose to .

    I certainly would want to know in case they were to come in contact with anybody elderly or immunocompromised.

    It is not good enough to allow it to go through the younger age group who have no voice or control in this situation.

    As it is, hospitalisations of young children has increased quite a bit in the last six weeks .

    Still not a large amount but more than we had in the first wave , or even latterly in the second . And a few have been very sick indeed .

    They may not thank us for this in the future



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,279 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    I am that stopped clock 😀

    My reasoning was purely the changes to contact tracing. From the tweets posted above it looks like the positivity rate is up such would be consistent with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Contact tracing was rolled back from schools because the risk to asymptomatic children was deemed to be too low to keep them off school. It wasn't a decision made on a whim. The number of close contacts from schools testing positve is very low. And word likely spreads quickly if there is a case in someone's class.

    Kids still have to isolate and get a test if they are have a household close contact because theyre at a greater risk of infection.

    Decisions can't be made on opinions or feelings. There was plenty of data from schools to make that decision.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And another thing to consider when talking about the US is that millions of people don't trust, and a lot can't stand, Tony Fauci (Republicans who don’t want coronavirus vaccines say their skepticism is worsening - The Washington Post). Whether they're wrong to not trust him is not the issue. The reality is that maybe half the country doesn't.


    From that article: "if you’re trying to win over skeptics, show us anyone besides Dr. Fauci."


    And yet far from showing people anyone but Dr Fauci, he's on news' programmes 24/7 in the US. The mind boggles.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "They may not thank us for this in the future"

    Hahaha! There is a lot of things that the kids won't thank us for.

    Putting the country billions in debt will be high on the list. The housing crisis will be another. Being one of the most expensive countries in Europe to live in will be up there. High taxes. Insane insurance costs.

    A few of them getting mildly sick when they were kids won't be one of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,422 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    trump said get a vaccine as well, who else can they wheel out? A lot of these people are too far gone on the conspiracy side to have any rational thoughts, the only time they will take one is when they're on their death bed and it's too late. Everything the GQP is doing lately is marked squarely in the box of "stupid things angry, probably racist, idiots do".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,114 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    As of this morning, there were 349 people in hospital with Covid19



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    Honestly, have you ever met anyone in real life who gave a flying fcuk about the national debt ? Countries always have it, and people always pay taxes, its not our national debt that has our taxes high. Construction being closed for a few months will be long forgotten next year apart from being wheeled out by whomever it suits to use it to score points about housing.



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