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Neither Complaining about the manager or owners in here makes any difference to anything, I think it’s just a case of what people find more cathartic. Yeh, a managerial change is way more likely to happen and make some change quickly but it doesn’t change the fact that pretty Much any issue the club has (down to stadium falling apart) can be traced back to the glazers on some level.

United fans are left looking desperate and pleading with the owners to show some ambition. Yeh we are stuck with them , but we don’t have to ignore (on here) the effect they are having on the clubs on field issues. Some people won’t awknowledge that for fear it might take the focus off the manager.

That doesn’t mean the manager is good enough. But Until United win a league or CL I will continue to point the finger of blame at the glazers. I don’t think a club like United , should be doing so badly. I don’t think they should ever be lower then 3rd or 4th at a push. Every season at United a half decent manager should be able to challange for a league and/or CL but the glazers don’t know how to make that happen, they’ve failed badly since SAF retired.

I don’t think “spending lots of money” counts for anything. They’ve wasted so much money and can’t even meet their own low goals of consistent champion league qualification. The spending hasn’t been to win leagues, it’s been to get that top 4 spot. United are spending like Barca/Madrid and closer to a spurs.

All they need to do is look at how city , pool and Chelsea are doing and find a better way of running the club. Just copy any other club and it wouldn’t be much worse then whatever cluster f**k way they’ve been running things.

Me too. The questions for me really is how much has changed behind the scenes. Is there a plan ? Is there a contingency plan to make sure any new manager fits in with whatever plan there is? I really hope they don’t change managers for changing managers sake, I wouldn’t put it past them.

I’m still not actively looking for Ole to be sacked. I see the issues and share the concerns but among other things I’m not sure I see a good replacement available. There is a part of me that hopes maybe getting through this rough patch coming up will galvanise the team and embolden Ole aswell. Remember, SAF was nearly out the door until Mark Robins saved his bacon. Also had he not signed Cantona United wouldn’t of won the league that season and his legacy may not of happened. Sometimes big moments in games and big players can literally change somebody’s career.

I actually remember I used to be getting on a train to work back in early 00s and I’d be arguing with a fellow United fan every morning. SAF team were struggling badly and he thought Fergie was past it. Seems crazy to think about it but I think this is part of the sport. There’s a fine line in how people perceive success and failure but in soccer you can be one game away from the hero or an absolute failure in the eyes of the public. There really is little balance.

If Leicester win their final game of the season and City don’t lose to Chelsea then last season looks fairly average for Tuchel. It’s not that this would make him a bad manager but instead now he’s seen as some genius where he would of been seen as a failure with 2 different results.

There’s better managers then Ole potentially on paper but I think of it like when Pool bought VVD and Allison. They waited to get the right players , the ones they wanted, maybe from a managerial POV that’s what the club should do. I’d be very concerned with any manager who hasn’t managed a top side because you don’t know how they will manage the expectations and the higher quality players (egos).

There’s a sense of desperation in some fans that Ole is gonna waste the best squad in years. Not completely unfounded but dumping a manager without a replacement who can take advantage of the squad is worse then keeping him and waiting for a better alternative. It’s a shame Anchelloti wasn’t still at Everton as he would be prob the Safest set of hands.

Id prob prefer Zidane over Conte if I had a choice. I think he’d be good with the egos in the squad , seems to command respect of player automatically. From listening to Graham Hunter he seems to be a decent tactical manager aswell.

It’s not nostalgia, it’s being realistic. Some of you post as if what fans say in hear makes a difference to whether or not a manager is kept, it doesn’t , it’s just people giving their opinions.

The irony really isn’t lost on me. “Drumpot stop saying yeh the manager but…” and then everybody proceeds to say “yeh glazers are crap but manager”. Youre all getting angry at me for doing the exact same thing you all do but I’m a bit disconnected from the hive so you all have a go at me. The difference is who we choose to believe is the bigger problem.

My post was reasonable. Where did I say Ole should be kept? I said I don’t see any available alternative and I don’t want them sacking Ole without some sort of vision. Did you disagree with that , because your post looks like you did? So you want anybody to come in, anybody , once it’s getting rid of Ole?