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Everybody can see and has seen Oles limitations, not just the posters on boards who have been complaining about him incessantly for months/years. Call for any manager to be sacked and eventually you will have all supporters on the same page.

Ole getting United to 2nd or 3rd in league shouldn’t of been able to happen, it really shouldn’t. The squad wasn’t as good as Liverpool or City and not better then Chelsea’s and yet they finished in that position. So there is something , very strange/dysfunctional, about the club that sort of made the Ole experiment kind of work and it wasn’t that the league competition was vastly better under LVG or Jose.

There is just something uniquely broken about United and some of you are even saying it while at the same time singling out the manager. Yes, it’s looking more and more like the team/squad needs a better grade manager to get the most out of them but I’m still baffled how he has done so well relative to every other United Manager until this season.

400 million spent is a red herring argument, it’s no more impressive then City or Chelsea who were already better then United. Pool spend so much better and get the players they need so don’t need to spend that much to build a good squad for their manager.

What frustrates me the most is that this is the merry go round playing out again. Some of you act as if it’s not but the same all over. Bet if we looked back over threads near end of Moyes and Jose we’d see the exact same sort of stuff regarding managers being out of their depth , managers play style being boring , squads better then it’s showing and managers saying annoying stuff after games they lose or play poorly. I remember people saying players hadn’t been coached under Jose , as if Jose forgot how to coach a team!

The issue is at the top. Always has been and it looks like Groundhog Day number 4 is coming. Manager goes, team gets a bounce, all is well for maybe 12 months and then cracks appear, manager isn’t supported , fans know owners are p*icks but maybe a new manager might make it work this time.

F*ck sake, I’m fed up of this nonsense. The worst thing of all about this is United have more then enough funds to be properly competing at the top, even with a sub standard manager (like Avram Grant) but the owners are too f**king stupid to make the proper infrastructure changes to make it work.

Whatever happens with Ole, screw the Glazers, absolutely useless owners who haven’t a breeze unless they are marketing the club to some Korean toilet role crowd. I think if they played pin the donkey on transfer targets and managers for the last 8 years it couldn’t of been that much worse. The amount spent should of even yielded a freak league or CL challenge at this stage.

Dont know why people get so angry with Ole. Nonsense talk to say he should quit. No manager ever quits and if he didn’t believe in himself he wouldn’t of had the job as long as he has had. Some act like Ole is some emperor who appointed himself, don’t get angry at ole , get angry at the owners or Woodward or whoever chooses to retain him. The owners need to do what every other top club does when a player or manager is not producing, it’s their responsibility.

Stop expecting Ole to (quit) do something nobody else does because you don’t want to address the owners impact on Uniteds on field issues. I remember fans thought Jose should quit aswell, we all know how Woodward handled Jose v Pogba , by doing nothing, buying Fred and Dalot and telling both player and manager (who didn’t want to work together) to get on with it.

The Glazers won’t make any changes unless players and fans really turn against Ole. What does that tell us about the owners? This is why people need to understand that the decisions taken or not taken by the glazers do impact and affect our first team. Who decided Pogba should not be sold back when Jose had fallen out with him in feb 2018? Again, decisions made that have had huge knock on effects for United teams. I even wish the next time the glazers/Woodard have to make a decision on something football related that they decide on what they think should happen and just do the opposite.

And before someone responds as if this is some defence of Ole, it’s not. I think I have to post the same stuff after every sacking and we end up in the same place over and over again but the promise of a new manager is the promise of hope. We are Liverpool of the 90s.

Agree with most of that but not the fans protest. The pool game was cancelled and Glazer was being hounded by journalists. I’d say they had some calls from other clubs In EPL telling them to get their house in order. Remember the EPL is a product that all clubs are invested in and one of its marquee games being abandoned is not a good look. The Glazers prefer to hide insidiously in the background , like a demon possessing the soul of the fans and using shields like managers and Woodward to redirect all anger. They are cowards who have mostly refused to even engage fans, again until Aprils protests.

Don’t think it was a coincidence that less then a few months later United had their most impressive looking window (on paper) then any other year over the last decade. And it was done relatively cheap with Varane and Ronaldo not costing a whole lot to actually buy.