Budget 2022 fuel tax to rise

This 2c increase is just a drop in the ocean. Last year at the beginning of lockdown diesel in my local garage cost €1.25/l. Last weekend I paid €1.49/l in the same garage. Now it doesn’t help but it’s still shy of where we were at one stage when it was up to €1.70/l (2015?).

Don't be putting ideas in their heads.......yeah, a flat tax of €410 per annum per car......grand, until they decide that some cars dont qualify and off we go on the vehicle tax merry go round again. They have a very inventive civil service, and I'm pretty sure that there is a special department just for increasing tax take. EVs will not present any real problems for them. But one thing you can be sure of, EVs will be taxed, its just a matter of how much?

You do come out with some sh!te tbf.

A quote from a man who works for UK car manufacturer in strategy

"kWhr/100km is going to be the all-important new metric. Just because it doesn't have a tailpipe doesn't mean they can't tax based on efficiency"

So based on that each specific EV would get a "co2" type rating based on efficiency at say 100km/h, and so bigger less efficient cars would pay more, but it would still be a fixed annual cost, and no there would be no incentive to drive less like petrol taxes, where those that drive a lot feel it in their wallet weekly.

To raise the equivalent takes of petrol, it would be a high annual fixed motor tax. I could see a mix of both, a "cc" based tax depending on weight of car, maybe motor power, and overall efficiency at say 100km/h, but there needs to be some consumption based tax, as taxes on home electricity are low and it's hard to separate home usage from EV car usage.

It'll make hydrogen powered cars like the Honda Clarity look attractive.

No, smart meters just measure the house consumption and don't know if it's a kettle or a shower or a car.

The main reasons for smart meters

1-no need to go to read meters again

2- They can cut you off remotely if you don't pay

3-Variable time based pricing, long term to encourage people to not consume at peak times. This will be in theory automatic on new appliances in the future but not yet real except for some EV chargers in UK. This may also prevent grid overloads in emergencies.

It comes in at 12.00 - 9.00 during summer.

We have everything timed to come on overnight, from the EV to the dishwasher, to the dryer.

Yes, ours is 10/11.52 - 7/8.52 as opposed to 11/12.00 - 8/9.00

I use the timers to set the various items to come on at specific times during the window. EG I dont run the washing machine and dishwasher at the same time to avoid any flooding risk. Dryer generally set to run alone due to fire/heat risk etc.

We do the same.

Our meter is plus 13 minutes.

Sure it doesn't matter if they raise car tax in the budget. Half the cars I see in my estate aren't taxed anyway so there's plenty of people driving without valid tax.

Apparently you don't even need a stamp, it is Freepost 🙂

It would be self declaration each year at motor tax renewal time. When you go to sell car you might need to write mileage on sales form when sending to Shannon. I'm not saying it's ideal, but it could work, and it's somewhat fair. There are issues with other tax collection systems, property tax self valuation, water charges, ESB/gas and renewables, TV licence, self declaration income tax, but they work more or less.

Well electricity prices have risen faster than petrol/diesel prices in the past few weeks, and the Government can't even guarantee we're going to have electricity for the next 3-4 Christmases, so the promised savings may not materialise, and of course you have the inconvenience of EV (range and re-charging times) over ICE. And if the reports are to be believed, then popular EVs like the Volkswagens, are going to rise by up to €5,000 but ICE equivalent will only rise by €1,200, and it's not as if EVs aren't a lot more expensive over the ICE equivalent as things stand despite all the taxpayers' money spent on cars that aren't that eco-friendly and are nowhere near as convenient as petrol and diesel.

But probably best to make a decision after the budget for sure.