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26-09-2021 05:12PM

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The reality is, Ole's job is probably safer than Tuchel's job. Even if we go out of the CL in the group stage, Ole isn't going anywhere.

I also heard Mark Goldbridge say this exact thing this morning. I hope to fúck it isn't true, but you do get the feeling that things will have to get a whole lot worse before the Glazers will act.

Lord TSC · 26-09-2021 06:13PM

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[Simon Stone] The bullish noises in pre-season out of club about progress @ManUtd have made under OGS don’t hide fact this is 3rd full season + club must compete for trophies at the least. Still early but 5pts dropped, out of one comp + losing start in another is poor considering opposition.

[James Ducker] Ole Gunnar Solskjaer tries to deflect mounting pressure by blaming Aston Villa players for Bruno Fernandes' costly penalty miss

[Henry Winter] Poor, poor result for #mufc. Villa a good side but United have to be winning these games if they are to have genuine title ambitions. United need a central midfielder, yes, but Solskjaer still has to have United challenging with this quality of squad.

All three of those would be considered excellent journalists for United, with inside links. Stone in particular is basically a mouthpiece for Woodward directly. If they’re starting that narrative, that Ole is the issue and has no further excuses, it means that’s how the board is likely feeling too.

26-09-2021 07:13PM

At least we aren’t Tottenham, what a sh1t show they are!

Quandary · 26-09-2021 08:15PM

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As bad as spurs are at the moment, i would swap Ole for Nuno tomorrow. He would be an upgrade.

billyhead · 26-09-2021 08:21PM

If Ole really cared about the clubs progression on the field he would resign. Not going to happen though. He will be here until at least Christmas.

Cookiemunster · 26-09-2021 09:14PM

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I honestly think you read way too much into what these journos say. What they're saying is pretty much what everyone is thinking and saying after finishing second last year and bringing in the players we did during the summer. Stating the obvious after a run of bad results does not mean there's stuff coming from the club.

I honestly can't see him sacked while Utd are in or around the CL spots, no matter what happens in the other competitions. And definitely not before Woodward leaves at the end of the year.

KurtBarlow · 26-09-2021 10:06PM

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Are you playing sancho.at wing back

KurtBarlow · 26-09-2021 10:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117938949#Comment_117938949

The answer to your first question is NO

wanderer100 · 26-09-2021 11:48PM

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Unless you're a fan of Jose 2.0 negative defensive boring football, no you wouldn't.

Nuno would be a terrible appointment for United imo. Look how far down the pecking order he was for Spurs when they were looking for a manager, that in itself says a lot. He's an average mid table level manager at best. I don't seem him lasting more than 2 seasons at Spurs.

Seriously though, what makes you think Nuno is the answer to our problems and the man to take us up to that next step of winning titles & trophies again ??

Swear some fans just want a new shiny toy to call their manager and it's those same fans that will be crying Nuno out or whatever in a couple years time when we regress back out of the top 4, reminiscing about Ole's tenure and saying things like "atleast Ole got us champions league football every season", "remember when we played entertaining football under Ole" etc etc

Didn't somebody yesterday say they'd take that old German national manager, the one that's famous for scratching & sniffing his arse. That guy hasn't managed at club level since 2004 for christ sake. Like I know a lot of fans are frustrated with Ole but cmon you can't be serious.

And since I know a lot of this thread is Ole out right now and is probably going to have a go at me for "defending Ole", all I'm saying is we can't sack Ole until the club has properly identified the right person to take over and give us the best chance of going up to that next step. Since the club has only just given Ole a new contract, obviously they're not looking at any replacements right now so I'm not going to waste my time/energy crying Ole out so early in the season.

Also for me, none of the names that are being mentioned like Conte, Zidane, Poch etc fill me with that excitement or belief that they're the right fit. I personally feel like they'll rip up a lot of the good work Ole has done and we'll end up back to square one. I very well could be wrong, we'll never know unless it happens, but that's just how I feel when I hear some of the names being thrown around

Don't get me wrong, I am having serious doubts over Ole and I'm certainly losing faith in him bit by bit but I'm not going to scream Ole out after every bad game because I just don't see anyone out there at the moment that's capable of taking the wheel off Ole's hand without eventually crashing the whole car itself

27-09-2021 12:01AM

Just watching the Brentford manager interviewed after the Liverpool game and he said he was proud he went toe to toe with 1 of the best 3 teams in the league in Liverpool, people point to united being 2nd last season but you can be sure as **** he wasn't including us in that which is kinda telling in its own little way.

27-09-2021 12:19AM

Lads things went to **** under Jose no doubt he was toxic and the players stopped playing for him in the last year but that team was pretty decent had won a few things.

People go on about ole like he is holding it all. Together but he has done the bare minimum for me.

He gets a lot of praise for things off the pitch that aren't his job and probably not even his doing and nothing for how the team Is on the pitch which is his job.

Yes the morale is better the players are happy and he has brought back a lot of nostalgic memories by both being who he is and a lot of what he says.

The top 4 finishes are the minimum required absolute minimum of any United manager, moyes got sacked straight after he failed in this task but standards have dropped since it seems.

I will be shocked if he gets another job in the Premier league like most managers would be an improvement be an improvement over him.

He isn't some class of 92 glue holding the team Together, he is a playing legend but a poor manager holding this team back.

Lord TSC · 27-09-2021 07:52AM

Quotes from Gary Nevilles latest podcast.

Gary Neville on Manchester United: “I think you have to be a unit in and out of possession, and when you only deliver in moments, those moments won’t go for you in certain games. You need patterns of play, way of playing — I still see a group of individuals playing in moments.”

“I said it even when they were winning, even when Ronaldo scored, they don’t play well enough as a team to win this league in my view. They don’t play well enough as a team.”

“They’ve got to come together as a team and start to define a style of play. Then you start to get results when you don’t play well. The way they are at the moment, they’ll always have days like Saturday against Villa.”

"They’ll have patches of four or five games where they only win two, but then they’ll go and win 15 on the bounce and be unbeaten away from home for a while. That’s the type of team they are. I have called them the odd bunch.”

“I still look at them and think of them as a team who win games in moments. I look at Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City, they are teams. They put team performances in. That’s not to say United never do, but Ole now has to get United into a team.”

El Gato De Negocios · 27-09-2021 09:05AM

Good to finally see his cheerleading section calling out the truth.

27-09-2021 09:11AM

Teams are coached, everyone knows what they have to do on and more importantly off the ball. We don't

billyhead · 27-09-2021 09:31AM

Would Bielsa jump ship if we came calling for him? It didn't stop Cantona or Rio.

El Gato De Negocios · 27-09-2021 09:53AM

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Jaysus no thanks. He's as one dimensional as Ole. With the attacking talent in our team we'd be fun to watch but we'd haemorrhage goals against. He's not much of an upgrade on OGS so I hope ta fook the board are scouting proper upgrades.

Pipmae · 27-09-2021 09:59AM

The board need to identify a replacement. The reason OGS is in the job is because of that caretaker manager bullsh1t.

If the unrest continues at PSG, well who knows?😲

Lord TSC · 27-09-2021 10:11AM

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Poch will be a non runner. The ship has sailed for now. PSG won't let him go, I'm not sure he'd want to give up THAT team he has right now, and I think too many fans will be saying he's "failed" at PSG (ignoring the nuances) to want him.

If or when Ole goes, I'd say you could focus on the currently unemployed (Conte, maybe Zidane) or a fancier up and coming name (Like Ten Hag; we seem to do ok when dealing with Ajax). I can't see us wanting to splash cash for a bigger name manager who currently has a club.

StringerBell · 27-09-2021 10:32AM

Poch is on a hiding to nothing at PSG really, win and its expected don't and its a huge failure. Goes with the territory of course and obviously if he fails to deliver trophies it will be a failure. The CL though will be a tough one for them, with Neymar, Mbappe and Messi you need a very mobile and workmanlike midfielder to cover for them. Tunchel had the same frustrations, getting the team to work hard enough - with the addition of Wijnaldum it will help but you'd still be wary of them in the tight games of working hard enough without the ball to get the job done.

You'd expect them to walk the league though and probably the domestic cups, but the league by a country mile and that could be key for him. The ability to keep players fresh for the CL quarters/semis etc. No way he will walk away from that job anyway the ship has sailed.

Brendan Flowers · 27-09-2021 11:18AM

If the club does decide to change manager in the next few months, Ten Heg would be a fantastic option. The obvious highlight on his CV is what he achieved in the Champions League with Ajax in 2019. But looking past that, his teams play progressive, attacking and cohesive football. Essentially a much more nuanced version of the style of play that Ole has adopted at Utd. Which means Ten Hag wouldn't have a mass rebuild to do at Utd and would be able to progress the team from where Ole has taken it to.

Ten Hag also is a manager that's keen to promote youth players. And considering the talent Utd have in their underage squads, I think this is an important factor if any potential replacements are being considered.

Another thing to credit Ten Hag with is his ability to rebuild squads. His Ajax team from 2019 was ripped apart with the sales of the likes of De Ligt, De Jong, Van de Beek, Ziyech. But he has rebuilt the team and they look as strong again this season as they did in 2019.

PARlance · 27-09-2021 11:40AM

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He would be a very good shout imo.

Drumpot · 27-09-2021 11:54AM

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Would be ironic if Poch got sacked for failing to qualify out of their champions league (drawing with the likes of Club Brugge) group and got the United job because Ole did the same.

TRC10 · 27-09-2021 11:57AM

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Ten Hag replacing Ole would be Donny Van De Beek's wet dream

Brendan Flowers · 27-09-2021 12:07PM

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Also considering the financial situation at Barcelona it might present an opportunity to sign De Jong next summer.

TRC10 · 27-09-2021 12:09PM

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Oh behave

PARlance · 27-09-2021 12:39PM

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Far far superior coach, this is a man who Pep, Poch and many others credit with laying the blueprint for modern football coaching.

But I do get the one dimensional comment. Not one dimensional in the boring way... and one dimensional mightn't be the best way to discribe it but there's definitely only one philosophy and while that can vary slightly over time, you're never going to see much change tactically, even though it might be needed in some games.

You can see this in Pep and his inability to win the CL with City. They live their style of football and and it can cost them when they don't compromise that style. You could throw the same at Klopp up until recently with his terrible record in finals.

Bielsa accepts and will take heavy defeats as long as the team are playing the way he wants as he feels thats the best way overall.

He wouldn't last a month with us though.

PsychoPete · 27-09-2021 03:08PM

If United asked Van der Sar nicely he might let Ten Hag go

27-09-2021 03:21PM

Are we looking at Dalot, Telles, Varane, Lindelof for the midweek game or will Shaw or Maguire be available?

Interesting to see Shaw was at a concert in Manchester on Thursday night. Not suggesting he was doing anything wrong (he posted it on his IG) but I would have thought with a lunchtime kick off on Saturday it mightn't be the best preparation.

PARlance · 27-09-2021 03:31PM

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As long as he wasn't gobbling yokes like they were gummy bears, I can't see a problem with a player living some sort of life.

The kind of thing that's perfectly normal until a few bad results.

Bloc Party! · 27-09-2021 03:34PM

Hi All, just have a question about transferring tickets for a game. I am wondering have you to become a member for United membership and have to pay the 20 pound for the lite membership or is there a free option without having to pay it? Or is that how it works? Thanks!

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