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wanderer100 · 25-09-2021 02:37PM

Absolute Shambles of a performance. Players didn't turn up whatsoever but more importantly, serious questions need to be asked of the coaching staff & Ole.

2 losses in a row to West Ham & Villa. How we can't even score with all the attacking talent we've got is appalling. Ronaldo was invisible today in the graveyard shift. I don't remember him even having a shot on goal.

We're in for a tough few weeks if we continue playing like that. Just look at our fixture list in October & November. Ole won't get the sack, he only just signed a new contract, but I have no doubt the fans will turn against him if he doesn't turn this around

y0ssar1an22 · 25-09-2021 02:38PM

In any match, watch the manager screaming instructions at their team. Ole just sits there looking as clueless as anything.

Hopefully he gets trashed by the media. Or else some serious mental gymnastics in an effort not to criticize him

Drumpot · 25-09-2021 02:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117937637#Comment_117937637

Good luck with that, let the kids have their moment…..

Drumpot · 25-09-2021 02:43PM

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I think he could realistically be sacked by end of November, particularly If they are struggling in the league and even if they scrape out of the group, I could see him being replaced if it fell apart like Jose. The question is still who.

Bounty Hunter · 25-09-2021 02:44PM

From reading this thread it really looks like the fans are already turning on him. There always was the opposing fans taking the p!sh saying they wanted him to stay as long as possible but there seem to be less and less actual Utd fans sticking up for him now.

Wasn't that long ago that a lot of the media were using the Ronaldo signing to say there were no excuses for Ole this season. He has already lost to Young Boys, been knocked out of the League cup and might now be starting to drop behind the leaders in the league (City winning oddly is good for Ole here). I wonder will they find a way to change that narrative now, seeing as many of them are his mates.

nullzero · 25-09-2021 02:44PM

The worrying thing is how United as a club seems to be capable of turning even the best squad we've had in a decade into a laughing stock.

The longer the owners leave this manager in charge the more games the side loses which will lead to more protests.

If anything good comes out of this hopefully it will be finally be seeing the back of the Glazers.

Backstreet Moyes · 25-09-2021 02:45PM

Fred had a decent game at least.

Drumpot · 25-09-2021 02:50PM

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Oddly enough the Ronaldo signing might be the one that works out against him. He was supported well in summer. Expectations Jumped massively .

Can’t be losing these sort of games when there are already question marks over your head and while I’m not calling for his head, I agree with higher expectations and don’t think he will get an awful lot of time to remedy this.

25-09-2021 02:53PM

Zidane

jamesbere · 25-09-2021 02:56PM

Frantic from start to finish, no game plan at all. Bringing cavani on at the end is pointless if no service is getting on the box anyway. Sancho is there, use him. The lad will never get any confidence in a United shirt if he gets no game time.

Drumpot · 25-09-2021 02:57PM

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Look at Roman with Lampard last year. That’s one thing, he doesn’t fanny about. But it’s not just that, he’s got the right structures in place to take advantage of changes anywhere within the squad. He’s proven it time again, lose a player (Hazard) or manager and it doesn’t matter.

The one thing that those foaming at the mouth for Oles sacking might hold onto is that the glazers want to keep fans onside. Ronaldos signing was all about the fans. I could see Ole being sacked to appease the fans. Again, the club making decisions to suit the owners, not the long term improvement of the team. It’s not that sacking Ole wouldn’t be necessarily wrong, but that it’s done because it’s popular.

Would zidane manage United? Who else could you reasonably get that could manage such a dressing room? That’s my concern, you get a less known manager and players react the same way they did to Moyes.

TRC10 · 25-09-2021 02:59PM

It's pretty clear to me at this stage that we aren't going to win anything with Ole.

Time for us to act like an actual football club with standards and let him go.

ben.schlomo · 25-09-2021 03:01PM

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Roy Evans won a trophy, Ole isn't at his level just yet, if success is based on trophies.

wanderer100 · 25-09-2021 03:03PM

Tired of going in on Ole for picking McFred when the teamsheets come out (I think we all are) but like I've said numerous times last season, we are never going to challenge for titles with McTominay & Fred in our midfield. They stick out like a sore thumb on our teamsheets, teams constantly target them as they are our weakest link which is why we lose the midfield battle time and time again.

I just don't understand what Ole sees in McTominay & Fred. They can't defend, they can't attack. They're just bunny hopping in the centre of the park, always losing the ball, misplacing passes and constantly getting ran past. Matic & Donny or Matic & Pogba is our best midfield combination imo.

Also on Pogba, why does Ole always shoehorning Paul onto the left wing when we've got so many wingers at the club. We just spent 70m on Sancho, Rashford is coming back soon, we've kept Lingard & we've also got Martial. This game was perfect for pacey wingers with the amount of space there was in the wide areas. i know Pogba has put in some great performances from the left but it's just not a long term solution for Paul at United and today proved that.

ArtyM · 25-09-2021 03:05PM

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It was actually a nice gesture from Ole.

By taking him off early he was able to receive his well deserved applause from the Villa fans.

nullzero · 25-09-2021 03:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117937710#Comment_117937710

Antonio Conte is supposedly "willing and open" to taking over at United, a story was run last week about that and it has been a consistent stance from him (in the rumor world at least) over the last few years, even back as far as the Jose era.

A proven serial winner who could tighten us up in defence and the middle of the park with attacking players that he'd know how to properly utilize. I think giving poor old Ole the bullet and stuffing a load of cash into Inter Milan's hands for Conte would put us in a reasonable position for a title tilt next season (yes I do think this one is already a write off).

yourdeadwright · 25-09-2021 03:06PM

Ole reckon Watkins was offisde for the goal

Look like he interfered with De Gea but had stopped just as Konsa headed it

Could have gone either way

25-09-2021 03:07PM

Pogba is the main problem. There's something wrong when you have Sancho and Lingard and are playing a bad player who doesn't even hold the position or stretch the opposition and somehow gets away with not being substituted despite playing putrid stuff both in attack and defence. Lingard has 11 goals this year and Sancho has the 4th most goal involvements of anyone in Europe the last couple of seasons. Left on the bench for someone who has 4 league goals in 2 seasons.

But sure he plays the odd nice pass so who cares about the team. Take out the Leeds anomaly game and he has done very little this season. Like a microchasm of the team overall. Accomodating him has compromised the team for years and it's infuriating.

Nalz · 25-09-2021 03:16PM

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Ah I thought that at first too, but I think de Gea had clear sight of the ball, and anything Watkins did was well before the header made contact.

Either way Villa deserved it.

United out played at home.

United still had 28 shots and 90% of them were hit and hope or lacked any conviction and thought.

Poor first half, brutal second half. No clue how to overcome their press and quick ball to front 2, both from players and management.

Pogba, mcT, Maguire were not up to it. Varane I'm unsure about too. Greenwood could have made better decisions.

piplip87 · 25-09-2021 03:20PM

That ex German manager is available now isn't he ? Wouldn't be a bad shout had Germany playing lovey football for a good few years.

nullzero · 25-09-2021 03:21PM

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Old scratch and sniff himself? If anything he'd be good for a laugh.

SteM · 25-09-2021 03:22PM

Zero interest in getting Conte in.

Quandary · 25-09-2021 03:23PM

In a weird way I kind of liked the to see Greenwood being so selfish and have the belief to go himself instead of looking for Ronaldo or Bruno. I know it didn’t work out for him today it is impressive to see him have the confidence to back himself when surrounded by superstars.

stesaurus · 25-09-2021 03:25PM

This **** UTD team ruining a whole weekend as per usual. Hate early Saturday kick offs.

25-09-2021 03:25PM

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I can't remember specifically what game it was, but going on the 2 offside calls/disallowed goals for obstructing a keeper (where the offending players were nowhere near the keeper) in a recent match Ole would be right. Even the corner which lead to the Villa goal was questionable in the first place, as the ball seems to come off a Villa player last rather than AWB.

Still, it wasn't as if we were robbed today, or Villa scoring was completely against the run of play.

We didn't deserve the rub of the green with the officiating around the Villa goal, just as we didn't deserve Bruno hitting the net with the last minute penalty.

I wanted Bruno to score that, but nicking a point after that shitshow today would only be another layer of paper over the cracks at Ole's United.

25-09-2021 03:32PM

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He is a very long time out of club football. Would be a huge risk. 16 years since he managed a club team and that was in Austria.

PARlance · 25-09-2021 03:34PM

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It's no coincidence this happens. His way of play suits playing the bigger teams. Sit back and hit them on the break. And we're fairly good at it.

The big problem is that is also the way we set up against Aston Villa at home.

Switched off after 60mins today. It's a long time coming... But #Oleout he's out of his dept with this quality of a squad.

Lord TSC · 25-09-2021 03:38PM

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Nah, I disagree with this.

Villa did not park the bus today. They were solid defensively, but they pushed up and applied pressure high too. We just were poor even on the counter attack today (Greenwood missed two or three chances from counters, for instance).

PARlance · 25-09-2021 03:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117937850#Comment_117937850

I don't think you read my post.

Where did I say Villa parked the bus?

They didn't, they pressed us as you said and our best chance was to get them on the counter attack. And like you said, we were poor at that today.

My problem is that our counter attack game can work well against big clubs BUT it's not the game plan we should have against Villa at home. We should be looking to play football rather than speculative long balls or counter attacks.

Under Ole, we're basically Burnley but with better players.

TRC10 · 25-09-2021 03:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117937876#Comment_117937876

Don't disrespect Burnley like that

They're a solid, well disciplined unit with a Premier League level manager.

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