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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    It was widely reported back in early August in numerous newspapers,

    Poster Muhaahaha gave an excellent synopsis of it earlier this evening on the Zappone thread.

    Quoted below.

    Originally posted by Muhaahaha

    The Sunday Times reported that a junior FG minister (Patrick o'Donovan) rang a senior FG minister (Simon Harris) and told him he had just been on his local radio station giving out about the Zappone appointment. This was disinformation and the radio interview never took place but a few minutes after o'Donovan was off the phone with Harris o'Donovan got a phone call from a journalist asking him about what he said about the Zappone appointment on local radio and trying to get a comment about it from him. So Harris had swallowed the lie fed to him by o'Donovan and also immediately spread it to a journalist. From that they (ie Vardkar and o'Donovan) identified Harris as the person who was texting the Zappone info in real time during the Cabinet meeting where it was first raised.

    I can't see Harris following up with anything. Might be wrong, but highly doubt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,530 ✭✭✭PieOhMy


    Thanks for the catch up, I'd missed all that. Very devious indeed!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Donnelly is being barbequed by Miriam on Prime Time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,076 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Some might say it is 'Chilling'. That seems to be a favored word these days. If the sting did happen you'd have to ask what is going on in the FG party? Are they all looking to stab each other in the back?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Apparently a poll in MoS today that shows FF gaining popularity and FG losing.

    FF on trajectory and looking like overtaking FG in popularity. Not surprising really.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Think they all binge watched Star Trek in lockdown and see themselves as the Klingons( or Cling ons), wiping each other out to get to the top



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    More 'mirror mirror' with the alternate Star Fleet 🤓

    The quality of the people in the various ministries is pretty bad. Cut throat self serving me feiners. No wonder they've no time to do a decent job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Not a trekkie expert and not sure if the mirror universe existed outside of Discovery,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Disgusting homophobic scenes outside Varadkar's home earlier today. Hopefully the perpetrators will get charged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    For once we can both agree on something. As you know I have no time for Varadkar but it was sickening. Calling him a Paedophile and homophobia was uncalled for.

    I hope all those outside his home are charged and sent to jail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭BKelly21


    Far right loonies from what I'm reading. Don't know the full details other than they were shouting "homophobic slogans". Arrest them and charge them.

    Politicians homes should be completely off limits and should never be the target of protest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,693 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    They called him a kiddie fiddler amongst other things....it is all on video....absolute loopers like Graham Carey are so thick they record themselves saying it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,076 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I think, well hope, that most people can agree with you on that. I never understand this sort of behavior, what are they trying to achieve? Why can't these people just let people live as they want? I would call it Neanderthal behavior but that would be an insult to Neanderthals. These people are just scum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    The problem is these far right nut jobs have been allowed to scream homophobic abuse with impunity. It was done during the assault of Izzy Kamikaze, and has become the 'go-to' chant to shut down anyone - esp anyone LGBTQ- who stands up to them.

    Here I think we are seeing the Robespierre effect - this govt has not acted against the far-right, indeed given that throughout the Lockdowns the far-right seemed to be able to assemble whenever and where ever they want it could have been seen by some as they had tacit official approval.

    Do I think the govt approves/endorses the far-right? No.

    I do think they are so consumed by the 'threat' from the left (a democratic threat that will be felt in the electoral booths) some thought they had found some useful idiots to attack the left. And like Robespierre they are learning the screaming mob cannot be controlled.

    It had a horrible inevitability that the far-right extremists who have gotten away with screaming homophobic abuse and calling people paedophiles in public with impunity would turn their attention to an openly gay politician.

    What else do people expect from fascist racists?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,689 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I hope they get as much jail time as the hate speech laws provide. Idiots.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,689 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It doesn't help that the Roman church still considers homosexuality an evil abomination. Stupid people still cling on to those backward teachings. Especially in Ireland. The Vatican said recently it will not bless same-sex marriage because God ‘can't bless sin’.

    I am old enough to remember cardinals calling AIDs as a divine judgement.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    For generations the state supported the church and the far right religiously insane. This leaves us with people who think attacking gays is the right thing to do. Where thugs on the street engaging in same are animals, these kind of people believe they are just and protecting society. Dangerous and deranged human dirt IMO.

    The law needs to come down heavy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,464 ✭✭✭✭markodaly



    I do think they are so consumed by the 'threat' from the left (a democratic threat that will be felt in the electoral booths) some thought they had found some useful idiots to attack the left. And like Robespierre they are learning the screaming mob cannot be controlled.

    In fairness, that is a ridiculous conclusion. You are essentially saying that the Greens 'endorse' the far-right and that FG/FG have some cosy relationship with them. You offer no proof mind.

    Ireland is not the USA. Stop making it out like it is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    The likes of John Bruton would've aligned themselves with the far right and certain party members would have courted people of that mindset to garner votes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Would the DUPers be considered far right? FG have shown to be cosy enough with them throughout time, they're even aligning themselves with them (and unionists in general) to complain about MDH not going up north to partake in a partition celebration.

    I've not seen any of the videos of what happened outsider Varadkars home, but by all accounts there was some disgusting comments being made, and should be condemned by any right thinking person.

    There's not been much posted about it in here by the usual champions of chastising everything they deem homophobic/racist or misogynistic, my guess is because there's no faux high moral ground to be had chastising the far right loonies, all things considered.


    (Just an observation)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,093 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It would take some neck to turn a disgusting homophobic rant against the FG leader into an attack on FG with the baseless accusation of aligning themselves with the DUP.

    But sure, there is always someone to sink that low.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    I'm happy enough standing over that comment thank you very much, have a look on the Higgins thread, you're even on there taking the side of the DUP too btw, (mind you, you vote, green) but the evidence is there to support what I'm saying.

    Post edited by McMurphy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    You're just fresh from defending the same thing in the shinner thread. Talk about some neck.

    FG have more of a far right element. Can be common among the smaller parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,093 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I am sure you are happy enough to stand over your comment, that wasn't in question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,689 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Polls apart – Fine Gael ignores public opinion and focuses on a 'regroup' (irishexaminer.com)

    It was an opportunity to "refresh, regroup and reset” as the Tánaiste put it, coming 24 hours after a pair of polls made for bracing reading for the TDs, senators and MEPs inside the Grand Hall of the hotel.

    Fine Gael was down two points in the Business Post Red C poll on 28%, while The Sunday Times Behaviour & Attitudes poll saw Mr Varadkar's popularity plummet to 39%, down nine points, with Fine Gael now 10 points behind Sinn Féin on just 23% in the same Behaviour & Attitudes poll.

    With the polls in mind, Fine Gaelers did not need to be told it had been a sub-par break for the party.


    It's very very difficult to regroup and rebuild when you are in government. I think the FG leadership haven't done a full lessons learned on how they failed so badly in the 2020 election while allowing Fianna Fail to get ahead of them after their near decimation in 2011. Given the last 15 months it will be difficult for them to halt the rot over the next 15 months. You can almost smell the next scandal around the corner and I feel the Covid 19 response post mortem could be very awkward in terms of the financial cost in comparison to other countries in relative terms. Time will tell.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,464 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Can you give actual examples of this?

    John Bruton and the far right? Ridiculous tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,464 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    You have to love the internet.


    To summarise:

    Some loons protest outside the private residence of Leo Varadkar calling him a pedophile and other homophobic slurs (note not one of the usual crew posted about it in the dedicated Leo thread of 'hate of the day', but there you go. I am sure when the government jet leaves for the UK someone will post some falsehoods about him ;))

    The debate then turns into navel-gazing that it's really the fault of FG that this happened (with no evidence by the way).

    The DUP is used as an example (the DUP far-right?) as if FG has some sympotic relationship with them (even though SF are in government with them)


    TLDR: Loons protesting the fault Leo Varadkars house.... is really the fault of Leo Varadkar as he is the leader of FG. Let me know where I am wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    TLDR: Loons protesting the fault Leo Varadkars house.... is really the fault of Leo Varadkar as he is the leader of FG. Let me know where I am wrong


    Ok, no problem, pretty much your whole post is wrong..

    Firstly this part.

    Some loons protest outside the private residence of Leo Varadkar calling him a pedophile and other homophobic slurs (note not one of the usual crew posted about it in the dedicated Leo thread of 'hate of the day', but there you go. I am sure when the government jet leaves for the UK someone will post some falsehoods about him ;))

    The debate then turns into navel-gazing that it's really the fault of FG that this happened (with no evidence by the way).

    Re the Leo thread, well done on proving my point. The lack of any of you guys posting about it says it all. No-one (certainly not I ) is "blaming FG" or Leo for that disgrace that went on, I'm pointing out that the fact MLMD was straight out condemning it in no uncertain terms, has taken the wind out of the sails, and left you seriously short of ammo and faux concern.

    FG have had various love ins with the DUP, there's countless examples of them both adopting the same stance on things, usually when it can be an attempt to get one over on the shinners, you yourself have as recently as yesterday adopted the same stance as the DUP re the Higgins refusal to be allowed to be used as a pawn in their never ending quest at getting one up on them nasty nationalist folk. It's here on this very forum.

    So here's my own "TLDR".

    What happened outside Leo's home was a thundering disgrace, and I am observing that Leo's crew are fairly silent on it on this forum, whereas they've an established history of going off on faux crusades to castigate folk with spurious homophobic accusations. Theres no political capital to be made here though the fact that "de left" weren't involved, rather it was the far right loons. You might even say I was more vocal at calling out what went on outside Leo's home than many of his usual loyal defenders.

    The evidence to back up my take on this is all over this forum FFS.



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