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Katherine Zappone Envoy Gig

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Don't worry. The way opinion polls are this Government will remain beyond Christmas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    I don't think anyone within the party has the balls to vote no confidence in him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,142 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Indeed and only because they are so appalling, FFG&G would be terrified of a GE.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,860 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    A bit more than reading between the lines is needed before using Dáil privilege Mc.

    Carty is currently in the process of learning this, as did Mary Lou when she had her derriere summarily handed her for playing fast and loose with it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    We've one minister constantly apologising for things he did, then blaming others, while lying and being under criminal investigation. Another caught lying and creating a job for Zappone and deleting government business texts and coalition partners who are okay with all that.

    So forgive me if I don't think much of anything regarding Carthy referencing stories from the media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    No it's not, in fact, going by the independent story someone (if not Harris) from cabinet was confronted by Leo Varadkar for leaking information in real time from a cabinet meeting*.

    If true, that's a fairly serious allegation and would be against the law, (if true) Carthys accusing Harris of, at the very least breaking cabinet confidentiality.

    The protection afforded to TDs is enshrined in the constitution and it is argued that it is in place to protect free speech and *encourage open debate.

    I would argue, that never mind it not being a "misuse" of Dail privilege, but actually using Dail privilege to do the state some service going by the above.

    Wednesday evening that accusation was made against Harris, and it's still out there.

    You're swinging pad, I'll give you that, but everyone of your swings are missing their target. Might be time to give it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Why are certain people on here not able to join the dots?

    We do know that a leak took place in real time at a cabinet meeting.

    We do know that the GP and FF ministers did not do the leaking.

    Everything points to a FG senior minister and all roads are leading to Simon Harris because of his recent actions and how he is handling this. If he was innocent he would have acted by now to get the dail record changed and have charges brought up against Matt Carthy.

    So to all the FFG believers on here at least admit that there was a leak and that it was done by a FG minister. Even if you don't believe it's Harris you must at least be willing to concede it was done by a FG senior minister.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,775 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Any sign of Coveney filling this most important position of Irelands UN Envoy for Freedom of Expression?

    Thought not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,792 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The Carthy line was a master stroke really. It put FG on the back foot immediately. It really threw the cat amongst the pigeons. Chatter chatter.

    The onus is now on FG and Simon to respond but all they did was huff and puff. It's fair to say that both FF and FG are parties in disarray. FG look so so dodgy now too. New Politics.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,142 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Are you being serious or taking the P , Carthy and Mc Donald have nothing to learn, Carthy in particular achieved exactly what he set out do do, We await Simon Harris's "Serious ' considerations which started 4 days ago 🤣

    As for Mary Lou'' Timid sanction, again she achieved exactly what she set out to do, Name Names and if I recall had not even a second of regret.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    The fact that the two Simons, and Paschal the rascal are under scrutiny and Leo since last year paints a bad picture for FG. This means its gong to be hard to predict who the next leader of FG will be as the three main contenders mentioned above are under serious scrutiny,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Fine Gael should be a proscribed organisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,142 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Speaking of joining the Dots

    I'm pretty sure this was the final conclusion from the recent FG Think In 😏

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    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Only to be proscribed with an adult, a clued in adult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    Anyhoo,we all look forward to Katherine releasing all her texts and emails comms etc from Simon and friends and going in front of the Dail commitee so they can completely clear Simon and friends and put all this shoddy shameful affair behind us.

    IT IS THIS SIMPLE,help your friends good name Katherine and be of "further service to ireland",because we all know you or Simon have nothing to hide Katherine and you want to help him,RIGHT.......Katherine?.....Katherine......? K A T H ERINE???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    She will act like the end of a Bugs Bunny Cartoon. That's all Folks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,121 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Doubt we will be hearing anything from Zappone except maybe to say that this whole situation has affected her mental health or some such BS and she won't be able to attend. The usual excuse when folks like this are caught pulling a stroke.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,293 ✭✭✭✭blanch152



    "

    Varadkar hasn't said that Harris was the leaker, in fact he has said the opposite, that what Carthy said had no evidence:

    That blows a huge hole in your defence of Carthy.

    As for the Cabinet leak, we only have a journalist's word that it was leaked. Is that Gospel now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Blanch for a green voter", you're a brave individual stamping your feet about this one when Varadkar and Harris must surely know, all the details of what went on is known to journalists. Be very awkward moment if something is revealed in tomorrow's papers.

    And by the way, Varadkar didn't "say the opposite"

    Varadkar said this.

    Speaking in the House today, Varadkar said: “What happened in the Dáil was wrong.”


    He said Carthy had no evidence for his claim, and was repeating a rumour under Dáil privilege.


    I don't know how you're interpreting that, but Leo said what happend in the Dail was wrong, he didn't even say Carthy was wrong.

    Only that Carthy had no evidence, and was repeating a rumour.

    Or, in other words, Leo basically said "prove it".

    The twisting and squirming is hilarious here.

    Post edited by McMurphy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,142 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Varadkar hasn't said anything coherent generally, apart from blaming everyone but himself, Coveney, Harris and of course Katherine, instead he persists in stirring trouble for his Coalition parties and of course not shy about throwing civil servants under the bus whilst he's at it.

    It was very telling a former SG and Current SG in Coveney's department seemed to try and be helpful to him at his SECOND attempt explaining matters to the FA committee, whilst a few days later Leo throws the Taoiseach's SG under the bus. That very SG has now been called in front of the FA committee, I suspect he won't be as generous as the Two that have already appeared.

    As an aside, is Simon Harris (STILL) seriously considering that complaint re his stellar reputation being slighted ?, asking for many friends 😏😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,775 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Not sure how you're imagining things I never even posted, I havent mentioned Matt Carthy in any of my posts yet you're claiming Im defending him, bizarre stuff.

    As for the journalist, he got a leak direct from Simon Harris in a cabinet meeting and he reported the Zapponyism as Harris wanted him to do. Are you claiming how that this whole story that this thread is based upon isnt true or something. This seems to be what you're aiming at, its even more bizarre given its been discussed on here and right across the Irish media for weeks now. The journalist was right in his reporting and if he says it was leaked from Cabinet there is no reason to doubt him when what he reported on Zappone was 100% on the money. You might not like it but as Hugh o'Connell said during the week leaks are bread and butter for political journalists, if you dont believe it goes on then you're being unbelievably naïve here.

    The story of Harris being the leaker and Varadkar hauling him into a meeting to openly accuse him was an open secret around Leinster House. It wasnt just one journalist who reported it, it was several. One in the Sunday Times, Philip Ryan in the Indo and Daniel McConnell in the Examiner. So by questioning the integrity of these political correspondents who spend their working days inside Leinster House you're really just going down the Donald Trump 'Fake News' route and we all know how much credibility that has. If that story wasnt true then why would either Varadkar or Harris allow damaging lies to be published about them and not speak up? They both said nothing becasue they both knew how true it was, simple as.

    Tell us then blanch if (as you are claiming) it wasnt Simon Harris then who was it? The Zappone leak didnt happen in a vacuum so if you're on here claiming that it wasnt Harris then who do you actually think it was? Varadkar himself? Suppose he does have form for leaking but you'd think a leaker under an open criminal investigation would at least try to keep their nose clean. Given it wasnt Coveney leaking on himself then that leaves either Heather Humphries or Paschal o'Donohue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,142 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Don't forget the little aside by Leo in his response to the facts raised

    "Well not entirely Correct " ,

    we await the juicy bits that were correct 😏 ( I suspect most were )

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,792 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    There are only 5 FG ministers in cabinet (Helen Mc is on leave)

    Leo

    Simon Harris

    Paschal

    Heather

    Simon Coveney (hardly leaking on himself)

    Who else could the leak be? FF&Greens say it's a FG leak. Everyone knows its SimonH. If not he would have outed someone else or made his complaint.

    I did notice that Hildegarde is getting lots of time in the press lately. She 'attends cabinet' so perhaps they are setting her up for a reshuffle...

    Red rotten FG.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,142 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Most unfortunate description (Hardly leaking on himself ) 🤣🤣🤣

    Re Hildagarde, I suspect only because most others terrified but after her recent media appearances, I suspect FG might have been better of just hiding from media 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,142 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Meanwhile MM heading off to NY for a few days R&R,god bless his cotton socks. he certainly needs a break, He's due to chair a meeting were I presume he might at least try an attempt at coherent messaging.

    I wonder is Coveney joining him on the trip, that would make for an interesting conversation, I wonder will Zappone have MM over for Tea & Crumpets whilst he's in NY 😏


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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