Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Same crowd supporting pubs as matches . I am talking about overall demographics.

By the way when you talk about Ireland and Europes waves , in your rush to adore all things British , you conveniently don't mention that the leader of those waves , in every instance was the UK !

Honestly couldn't make up this stuff , lol !

They have true .

Ireland's Covid crisis looks to be over, hopefully bar the lingering effect on our health service and the mental health of people badly affected .

Not talking about people missing pubs and football matches , but those whose families have been affected, by illness and members dying , jobs lost and real mental health issues for people who are vulnerable and the crisis is not over for them yet .

If you imagine a soccer club has 1 million fans able to go a weekly game.

More than half of them, 51%, are too scared to go anymore.

That still means 490,000 could go to the game. More than enough to fill the stadium.

80% being too scared would still lead to 200,000 being able to fill the stadium.

For a club with 4 million fans 80% being scared still means 800,000 would be willing to attend.

For clubs with a millions and millions of fans you could easily fill a stadium if the majority of their fans are scared to enter.

You are right. 80% of brits are hiding behind the couch while 20% are enjoying themselves going to restaurants, pubs, football matches and music festivals.

Absolute rubbish and you know it . Haulage companies there have almost gone into meltdown over the last few months .

Just put it into Google and you have an endless choice of articles about the failure of Boris and Co to keep their country going .

And how they hope to get out of it , of course blaming everything and everyone else ...

Michael Gove , one of the guys that helped put them in this mess in the first place !

People like you need to get your head out of your ...back pocket , and realise that people have been living with Covid for the last 18months , going out everyday , dealing with people and working through it , and were it not for the vast majority of decent Irish people , grossly underrepresented here by the looks of it , things for us essential workers and everyone else would have been a damn sight worse .

"Drinking pubs" was your phrase. Hence the quotation marks.

Asserting the pubs stayed closed, when in fact the vast majority were open, makes about as much sense as saying that Covid restrictions didn't drive case numbers down.

So, if it wasn't people mixing with each other that gave us an enormous spike of cases in a very short space of time, what was it? The 5G masts? Of course.

So what's new ?

Have lived through a lot worse times financially that so many here do not remember , we'll survive .

Except supermarkets, meat plants, offices, doctors, dentists all remained open before and after the January spike. I don't think the nursing homes shut up shop either.

I just can't get into the mindset of people who think having a few pints for themselves and their mates was more important than keeping other people alive. I don't think that missing out on the pub on a Saturday night was an excessive price to pay for old people not dying in agony.

But that's just me. You went the other way and that's all part of the rich tapestry of life I guess.

I don't know how many pubs were open - that was when the "wet pub" term was invested with so much meaning. I wasn't in a pub so I can't speak as to how crowded they were. However to suggest that the virus re energised in a 3 week period because pubs reopened is fanciful.

MM/TH were flapping about numbers on Monday/Tuesday before Christmas Day, so that rules out the "Granny joined us for dinner" bluff.

If the pubs were the source of this wave - then infections / cases/ hospital case numbers "exploded" in a matter of 14 days.

Boris & co on the mainland expressed concerns in early December (if not earlier) about an unexplained resurgence in numbers- remember The Kent Variant? This predates your "pubs were open" date here of 4 December.

Our "experts" (who someone previously claimed managed the whole pandemic so well) didn't even know in early January, that the variant was here, that it was more contagious and caused the sudden increase of cases. They, like you went for "pubs" being the source.

The "we opened for Christmas and look what happened as a result" line has been completely discredited.

If someone needed a surgery of some sort, and it was cancelled like most surgeries at the time of the restrictions, and they had to go an extra 6 months with pain and discomfort, were they not impacted by COVID ? Its not as simple as somebody catching the virus or not.

Yes . MM and co handled Christmas badly , and opened up for Christmas against NPHETs advice . They certainly got that wrong .

Should have known having Granny for Christmas , and Uncle John and family from Uxbridge was not a good idea , even with the windows open and Granny by the door.

We knew and we said it a lot of us here , but a lot of people posting here today were saying " about time , party on , so that's what happened . Maybe read back the thread if you don't remember

That was called out on here as it happened but MM doesn't appear to read Boards .

A lot of other voices were raised in concern but not in government .

Of course it was people mixing that explodes cases.

But it was household gatherings, rammed shopping centres, people in full cars driving 50 miles to shops, sheebeens, etc. etc. that all added to the spread.

Conditions for spread were perfect, and it's widely accepted that all sorts of gathering contributed.

6 to a table in a restaurant was doing far less damage than 60 people at a house party.

1,392 new cases, hospitals at 288 and 73 in ICU , 6 more than yesterday