New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

AllForIt · 16-09-2021 11:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117900460#Comment_117900460

Well well well. So Morgan does think there IS a market for what GBNews is offering. Apparently Murdoch and Rebecca Brooks had plans for such a channel but GBnews got in there first. So whatever the financial failings of GBNews, it looks like it doesn't really matter whether GBNews goes under or not, because there are powerful people who think they can make a real go of it. Clearly Morgan thinks so too and as mentioned here he was never going to sign up to GBNews if he didn't think his job would be secure accompanied by a big weekly pay check. Murdoch was always his best bet.

The war on woke and cancel culture has begun. Haha. It ain't going anywhere even if GBNews sinks. Seriously though, I always sensed that those who are pro woke cancel culture thought that if GBNews sinks, that would be the end of it. This is staying and ain't going away anytime soon.

Oh, one other thing, the idea that what GBNews offers is directed at older uneducated conservatives is clearly wishful thinking. I'd hardly think Darren Grimes, Tom Harwood, Calvin Robinson or Dan Wooton, etc, are particularity old. You always hear this argument that conservatives are going to die off, which is palpable nonsense. One is entitled to live in hope, wouldn't take that away from youz. It's not like dyed in the wool socialists ever die off either.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 17-09-2021 07:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902109#Comment_117902109

Question is, will they avoid the same mistakes as GB News?

breezy1985 · 17-09-2021 07:47AM

Ah so now GBnews will never be a failure because a different station is starting up that may be similar so we were all wrong

17-09-2021 08:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117900495#Comment_117900495

loathe as I am to pick up for Piers Morgan, but the News of the World hacked Milly Dowler's phone 7 years after he stopped working for them.

There's plenty to criticise Morgan for without blaming him for stuff he didn't do.

ohnonotgmail · 17-09-2021 08:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902532#Comment_117902532

He was editor of the Mirror while its journalists were hacking phone. He knew it was going on and turned a blind eye.

17-09-2021 08:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902547#Comment_117902547

And he should be criticised for that. But his paper weren't responsible for hacking into Milly Dowler's phone which is what was alluded to in the post i quoted.

awec · 17-09-2021 08:54AM

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Grimes, Harwood, Robinson and Wooton are genuine simpletons. Empty shirts. People of no consequence. If they are the beacons of conservatism then nobody has anything to worry about.

ancapailldorcha · 17-09-2021 09:22AM

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I get the impression that there's a sense of decadence pervading the modern right. The left talk about things like income inequality and climate change, both of which are serious global issues requiring urgent action whereas the right would rather obsess over pronouns or some woman's dress at a gala or whatever. I wonder if the Roman elite obsessed over silly nonsense like this while the empire was disintegrating.

ohnonotgmail · 17-09-2021 09:24AM

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"Bread and circuses" would suggest they did.

ancapailldorcha · 17-09-2021 09:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902671#Comment_117902671

I've tried to think of a single right wing commentator worth listening to and I just can't. Best I can do is Jordan Peterson, a man so insincere and disingenuous that nothing he says outside of his weird obsession with lobsters sounds like anything he honestly believes.

pixelburp · 17-09-2021 09:53AM

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Heck. Who needs ancient Rome; in a living lifetime, we have seen video games, "video nasties", rap music, rock music, LSD, the hippy movement, long hair and sundry other Western social or cultural changes declared the downfall of civilisation. These changes have now moved into expressions of personhood, the final frontier in many respects; and so the wheel turns towards outrage at a basic acknowledgement of the complexity of gender.

For the record and the sake of honesty, I think "xyr" is a woeful, linguistically ugly word (especially in a language that already has a genderless pronoun), but if it gives non-binary folk some humanity, self-determination and dignity - I don't care. No skin off my nose; as I said there are so many more things to worry about.

And like homophobia of times past masking a LGBTQ truth, I also just presume many of the outraged are simply, secretly attracted to these non-cis figures, and are externalising their insecurities. It immediately answers a lot via The Lady Doth Protest Too Much logic 🙂

ancapailldorcha · 17-09-2021 10:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902961#Comment_117902961

Too much time with Paradox games, perhaps.

While this sort of outrage culture has been prevalent for decades and probably even generations, it's begun to focus on ever smaller demographics. I doubt any of the professional hysterics have ever shared a room with a trans person but we're supposed to be terrified that the concepts of male and female are about to be retired.

pixelburp · 17-09-2021 10:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903140#Comment_117903140

Small demographics, and, I suppose, more abstract concepts. Video games or rock music were tangible and demonstrable entities. Loud song is bad; games are for children, not violent. The messy subject of gender is less knowable at first blush, that abstraction born from a person unsure of their being. Makes for a less snappy slogan on one's placard, so instead the outrage tries to rebadge itself as something intellectual, political; considered even. The irony being that as a cause taken up by those right of centre - the more hyper individualistic, or ideologically disingenuous such as GB News - you'd think there'd be a default respect towards a single person's desire to live as they see themselves to be. Surely there's nothing more individualistic than that? Instead the argument tries to Other and deny or legislate against their existence.

So, yeah. GB News tried to monetise this hate, and seems destined for the bin (though I agree with the poster who reckoned they'd limp on as a zero-budget entity, deep in the bowels of digital TV). I got that one wrong for sure; I predicted it making a much larger splash than it did, but I was surprised just how flat and lazy its targets were.

Piers Morgan will no doubt give TalkTV a bump of exposure; and as the UK's Uber-C*nt, I don't doubt he'll generate exactly the kind of viral traction Talk TV are paying him for.

ancapailldorcha · 17-09-2021 11:09AM

I'm not really sure how they can limp on as anything to be honest. They need to cover their overheads and, without revenue it's impossible to imagine someone stumping up the shortfall once the "talent" jumps ship.

I don't really see what difference TalkTV will make. It's going to face the same problems though with a bigger budget. Murdoch backing it might help with Ofcom but that's the only meaningful difference I see.

Quin_Dub · 17-09-2021 11:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903318#Comment_117903318

TalkTV if nothing else will have far higher production values and from the off will be slick and well produced - The Average YouTube channel had higher production values than GB News when it launched.

I also think that while they will have their "anti-woke" elements , large swathes of TalkTV will be generic MOR stuff.

I also suspect that TalkTV are trying hard to find a foil for him that can perform the "Piers!!! , you can't say THAT!!" role that is needed for that kind of TV to work.

What GB News failed miserably to recognise is that you need to have that foil to express outage/annoyance or whatever there live in the Studio , otherwise it's no "fun" and nobody watches - You can't "own the libs" if they're not there.

Hard to see how anyone with any kind of name recognition would take the gig though.

90%+ of what Piers Morgan did on ITV was bland generic standard issues daytime TV , but every now and then he'd swerve hard right for a few minutes and that was enough to capture the "Wonder what he'll do next" brigage and get them tuning in all the time.

If it's 100% A$$holery it'll wither and die pretty quickly as either OfCom will have their hand forced or people will just get bored of it.

marieholmfan · 17-09-2021 11:59AM

Piers Morgan is a great Irishman from Banagher who will always deserve great credit for exposing the crimes of the British in Iraq.

The fact that the British widgeried him is neither here nor there.

Quin_Dub · 17-09-2021 12:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903579#Comment_117903579

You mean like when he faked photos of British Soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners?

Is that what he deserves credit for??

ancapailldorcha · 17-09-2021 12:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903579#Comment_117903579

He's scum who took advantage of hacking phones for his own gain.

ancapailldorcha · 17-09-2021 12:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903568#Comment_117903568

That just leaves the question of why we're getting yet another TV news channel. What's going to separate this from GB News in terms of ability to make revenue given that similar outfits in Sky and the BBC don't. Being slicker is nice but it's not going to solve that quandary itself.

breezy1985 · 17-09-2021 12:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903568#Comment_117903568

In terms of presentation I doubt TalkTV will be going for childish stunts like "woke watch" or "talking pints"

Muahahaha · 17-09-2021 12:15PM

Will be interesting to see how this new project with Piers gets on. One thing though on the attempt to Foxify the UK media landscape is that this is all Ruperts doing and at 90 he is not long for this world. Not sure if anyone saw the recent documentary on the Murdoch family but during the US election Rupert himself got down and dirty on the Fox news floor in New York. He was making all the editorial decisions like he was back in his youth. Everything from the Sleepy Joe stuff to the Big Lie literally has Ruperts fingerprints all over it.

There was interviews with Lachlann who is set to fully take over Fox and it was pretty clear he doesnt agree with the direction his father has dragged Fox in, The Big Lie and allowing Trump to take over the channel was a particular bone of contention between father and son. The other son James has left the family business over the same disagreements and both him and Lachlann are basically New York liberals who grew up in conservative media. Both of them are fully cognisant of the damage their father has caused to democracy in the US and Lachlann does not have the stomach to continue on in that regard. Im not saying Fox will go full on liberal under Lachlann, it wont. But there will be a shift away from the manufactured outrage that is Ruperts calling card.

Tony EH · 17-09-2021 12:44PM

Neil on why he left GBeebies. Make of it what you want...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EfR7hr94zo

ancapailldorcha · 17-09-2021 12:54PM

Saw that on my feed earlier. I don't buy a word of it. There's no way he didn't know what GB News was supposed to be for. Once it became apparent that it was a busted flush, he took his "break" and then jumped ship.

Penn · 17-09-2021 01:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903871#Comment_117903871

Agreed. The idea that after a week or two, he, as chairman, would say "Wait, what direction do you want to take this in? On no, I don't agree with that. I'm off!" is ludicrous.

The channel he left his whole career on BBC for. The channel he spent months helping to set up. The channel he pretty much staked his career and reputation on. And it was only after it launched he realised he and some of the chief executives had different opinions on?

He scarpered after the disastrous launch and ridicule, and the channel moved more to the right to try and become sustainable. That's why he left.

pixelburp · 17-09-2021 01:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903809#Comment_117903809

What a terrible non answer he gives. Asked several times to clarify the exact "direction" he objected to, Neil waffles around actually saying anything definitive about the contents ideology. Talk about trying to play both sides of an audience; I wonder was he worried had be come down on the Cancel Culture Mania, he'd be Called out on backsliding.

Quin_Dub · 17-09-2021 01:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903619#Comment_117903619

I think the point is that the vast majority of the content will be re-broadcasts from the rest of the Murdoch stable , the cost model will be very spare I'd imagine.

It will be the Dave+1 of TV News with a few locally produced inserts to make it seem like it's a UK channel.

Similar to the approach taken by Murdoch to his print media when he sells them here in Ireland - Swap out the headline article on the front page and some of the sport on the back page , but the rest is generic recycled stuff from elsewhere.

astrofool · 17-09-2021 01:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117904167#Comment_117904167

He's in that same area where Angus Deayton landed after his scandal, you can't satirise or pillory that which you are now an intrinsic part of. No politician will ever need to give him a straight answer again as he can't give a straight answer himself. Decades of journalistic integrity undone in a few weeks.

Joe_ Public · 17-09-2021 02:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117904245#Comment_117904245

He had a good enough innings in fairness to him. And from what i recall, he was the guy who once hired David Irving to do work for The Sunday Times and who, as editor of that paper, led a sustained campaign denying hiv was a cause of AIDS. Good interviewer unquestionably, but not sure about that decades of journalistic integrity tbh.

Hotblack Desiato · 17-09-2021 02:09PM

Rupert Murdoch makes me disappointed there isn't a Hell.

Hoop66 · 17-09-2021 03:46PM

Neil looked thoroughly embarrassed on QT last night, and rightly so.

New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

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