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Murder at the Cottage | Sky

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 662 ✭✭✭mamboozle


    I never got the feeling that, given the circles she moved in, she would be bothered confronting people about drugs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    From what I've heard Sophie had concerns regarding drug trafficking in the area.

    The rest is only speculation, one possible theory of what may have happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭tibruit


    It probably was investigated properly at the time. How do you know it wasn`t? Nobody is arguing about hubcaps. The rubbish you have come out with today is a classic example of how something takes legs and becomes a tale that never happened. We have an apparently lost statement about a blue Fiesta spotted somewhere on the morning of the murder.

    The bould Garda hating Gemma comes along......ah yeah....Garda car.....the lothario in Bandon...etc

    There is absolutely no evidence for any of this but now it is circulating.

    The Garda dies. Paddy says to Mick...."Yer man below in Bandon is dead. I wonder did he confess to killing the French woman on his deathbed?"

    Mick says to Tom..."I heard that guard confessed to killing yer one from France before he died"

    Tom to Mary......"He did it alright....sure he confessed"

    Eventually we end up with you coming on here implying that Sophie was driving around with a Garda a couple of hours after she got off the plane. If you had any basic knowledge of the case at all you would know it couldn`t be true.

    Thompsonette has a "reliable friend" who says the Guard confessed. I won`t be holding my breath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭DivilsAdvocate


    We don't know if she confronted Alfie Lyons or Leo Bolger or not but Ian Bailey has said that she complained to the guards about it.

    Whether the guards were in on the drug growing or smuggling is not known and it might be a little farfetched, but I don't think it's farfetched to think Lyons or Bolger could have been tipped off about Sophies complaint.

    Add that to the fact that Leo Bolger was trying to buy Sophie's house or land before she bought it and I'd be surprised if they werent considered suspects.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭tibruit


    Well something along those lines. It goes all the way back to the housekeeper in Bandon apparently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 662 ✭✭✭mamboozle


    One would think that if someone makes a complaint to the Guards about somebody growing/dealing drugs and is later found dead that there is a fairly obvious lead. But Alfie never seems to have been a suspect, so maybe there was never a complaint.



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  • Posts: 48 [Deleted User]


    I know Gemma O’Doherty has fully gone off the rails, but her piece was published in The Village, right? A publication like that is not allowed to just publish someone’s notions, they have fact checkers etc. I’m not sure they would allow Gemma to insinuate these things unless they were satisfied that she could back her claims up to some degree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭tibruit


    If I have misrepresented you or mistaken you for somebody else, then I take it back. Somebody said it on here several days ago. I thought it was you.



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  • Posts: 205 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can't remember tbh, don't think I mentioned her housekeeper. There's been a lot of talk last few days, hard to keep up



  • Posts: 48 [Deleted User]


    Also, some food for thought. Leo Bolger served in the British army in Northern Ireland. Many of them were really nasty pieces of work. A lot of them committed terrible crimes.

    Between him and the potential guard (which of course is just a rumour, but how could there be evidence to back it up if the guards failed to investigate it??) you have two people who are of interest at least... a lot of murderers in the US for example turn out to be cops or former cops. Case in point, the Golden State Killer.

    before anyone comes at me, I know Ireland is not America. We have enough to be going on with when it comes to our own history of corrupt Gardai, war crime-committing British soldiers, ex paramilitaries etc etc. It’s just something to think about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭DivilsAdvocate


    Ian Bailey would have more knowledge of the case than all of this group combined you would imagine, considering he has the Irish and French police files.

    So if there was a complaint made, then you'd have to ask how come Leo Bolger wasn't charged for growing 150K worth of weed until over 10 years later.

    Could his charge coincide with when Bailey first found out Sophie complained about drug growing or dealing to the guards? Who knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭DivilsAdvocate


    Interesting to note and something I was never aware of is that the judge in Ian Baileys libel trial was the same judge who presided over Leo Bolgers criminal trial



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Random points --

    Skid marks? a car skidding to a halt or wheel spinning away could be taken as an attempt to intimidate?

    A car skidding to a halt could also be taken as an angry approach or a desperate attempt to *intervene in time?

    *Could a "white knight" have arrived too late and subsequently sped away? (did someone become aware that Sophie was being/about to be "frightened off" from causing complications to "supply lines". Could an assailant have left the area by small boat?

    Surely a guilty perpetrator would "creep" away to avoid attracting attention?

    Furthermore, a party's presence at the scene does not necessarily imply guilt of murder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭jimwallace197


    Haha! Really, I didn't know that, the same judge that left him off with a suspended sentence where he should have been looking at ten years in prison, using the excuse that its hard to make a life in west cork as a reason for his lenient sentence. Yah nothing fishy about that at all, no wonder he was keen to help the gards and falsely implicate Bailey. God, the more you look into this case, the more corrupt it gets, there's no end to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭DivilsAdvocate


    I'm not sure how many circuit court judges there would have been in Cork though, maybe someone else on here would be more knowledgeable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Same judge that presided over the libel trial presided over the miscarriage of justice action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭DivilsAdvocate


    Nick Foster not even hiding his bias anymore.

    "I'm working hard at a couple of new leads that point one way only"

    No ****.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭jimwallace197


    Yep, its the same one, Judge Patrick J Moran.

    Bolger pleaded guilty to the offence, which carried a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years and up to life imprisonment. However, the prosecuting garda informed the judge that the defendant had been assisting them with another case (The Bailey Case). To the consternation of the court and the defence team, Bolger was given a suspended sentence as the sympathetic judge stated he was “perhaps trying to survive in the magnificent peninsula of Dunmanus Bay”.

    Now, some posters on here are continually quoting this judge & using excerpts from that trial. For me, this judge has now lost any credibility when it comes to Bailey, that's an absolutely disgraceful decision. Same posters here dismissing the DPP report while simultaneously saying we should be taking this judge seriously when it comes to Bailey, don't make me laugh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭Massive Berevement


    How is it no forensic evidence was found in her house if someone had been using her bath? They didn't even clean up after themselves hense the reason it was discovered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭DivilsAdvocate


    I read an article recently that had a passing comment that Ian Baileys DNA didn't match up to the DNA in the house, it was in the Daily Mirror so not the best source.

    Does anyone know if there was DNA found in the house but it just didn't match Baileys? Or was there just no DNA bar Sophies?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭Massive Berevement




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭jimwallace197


    How on earth anyone can listen or trust what that snake in the grass says about anything, I'll never know.

    This is the same guy who befriended Bailey just so he could get information out of him to then go on & write a book on him, condemning him.

    Jim Sheridan completely exposed him for what he was on Blindboys podcast, a two faced liar.

    New leads?? Im sure, the only decent information he's ever managed to get about this case was from Bailey himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,976 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    My understanding was this had been happening prior to Sophie's Christmas 1996 visit? Presumably she had cleaned and used the bath herself in the interim, no reason for a big forensic investigation at that stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭DivilsAdvocate


    He lost a lot of credibility to me when he was on Pat Kennys radio show and refused to accept that Bailey could have been using black humour.

    He thinks it's more likely Bailey would confess to a 14 year old than Bailey using black humour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭MrMischief


    All of that would also suggest that she was murdered some time after breakfast (bed made, breakfast had (stomach contents and loaf of bread out) and no house lights were on).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 282 ✭✭drumm23


    I think early morning remains more likely.

    Again, the primary thing pointing at middle of night is Marie Farrell imagining that she was there at 3AM and just happened upon the only murderer ever to walk that road in a hundred years.

    Whereas there is some "evidence" that actually aligns better with morning time of death: the wet blood, the muesli in her stomach, no alcohol and going out without a coat.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Furthermore, a party's presence at the scene does not necessarily imply guilt of murder.

    Peculiar then, that people can have such strong opinions regarding the guilt of someone for whom there is no evidence of their presence at the scene.



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