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Intel shortlists site in Galway for major plant

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭gaming_needs90


    After looking at the satellite maps, it looks like the site has the potential to be much larger. Its probably not all owned by the state but this particular block all looks to have the same features (Tracks, lack of agriculture etc). If I am not just randomly taking away someones huge farm or in the wrong place, id say Intel are liking the huge potential to expand too.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    It's the Oranmore rifle range surely? Looks like an army installation anyway with rifle ranges in the left corner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Intel didn't select this site, this is the IDAs selection.

    I actually fail to see any quotes or news from Intel stating Ireland is on some kind of a shortlist, which is what irish media seem to be running with. I think just because the CEO, when he was in Ireland last week, stated it could be in Ireland led people to think Ireland was high up in the running. No country is ruled out.

    Ultimately it will be who gives them the greatest benefits. We give them land for free. They're looking for around 8 billion in tax payers money.

    They also said they want more chips manufactured in Europe. It would be a slight risk for them to have all their european chip capacity in one country.

    I think it's more likely Germany. I think Ireland would turn out to be much more expensive to build/run as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    They already have a large fab here, are building a test building for a new fab, were planning on building the new fabs in leixlip only for that farmer who wouldnt sell.

    It would make sense for them to locate the new stuff in Ireland aswell - there would be considerable crossover between existing fabs and new ones in terms of expertise. And it wasnt irish media who broke this story, but the Times UK



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    We're veering off topic but:

    • Two train stations
    • Multiple frequent bus routes
    • Multiple schools (primary, & secondary)
    • Library
    • Two GAA clubs
    • Soccer club
    • tennis club
    • various other amenities (athletics track, fishing, canoeing, etc.)
    • Adjacent to St Catherines park
    • multiple pubs, restaurants and cafes
    • proximity to N4/M4 and M50
    • close to multiple retail centres, cinemas, etc.

    The only thing I can think of that it is missing is a swimming pool!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    You're jumping the gun there, a bit like the IDA.

    The IDA were the ones who were dying to get the land from the farmer as they wanted to be in pole position to say "here, we have loads of land here you can have" if/when Intel wanted to expand operations like they are now.

    Any previous plans are irrelevant anyways considering they have a new CEO and a new CEO who knows what he's doing, not like the accountants they previously had.

    My point still stands regarding the media. They are making out that Intel have shortlisted the site, when it was the IDA who shortlisted the site. Basically, this is Irelands entry into eurovision and now Intel needs to vote. Are government going to be giving 8 billion to Intel? I'm not sure!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭mondeoman72


    Intel are on a massive recruitment drive at the moment. They are taking on several hundred people this month. Induction starts for some on Monday. These are quality, wellpaid jobs - if it comes to be true.

    I hope it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    They had no definite plans to build on the guys land, but they absolutely had notions of expanding and building a new "superfab" in Ireland. Ideally as an extension of their current campus. They built a trial building for it ffs, a huge thing just to learn costing and other things at a smaller scale.

    The IDA absolutely bottled that before, but its not like a eurovision entry - and if it were, we would have many more points at this stage than the Germans.

    Previously there were fears that Intel would spin off the fabrication company as a separate entity and keep all the other divisions (processors etc) - some other companies have done so in the past. However Gelsinger (new CEO) seems to be of the mind that fabrication is an important core business to Intel, and in the global market with huge chip shortages and a serious lack of new fab capacity worldwide, it makes absolute sense for them to invest in more facilities.

    Obviously all we or anyone can do is speculate right now, but they are more likely to invest in Ireland than elsewhere in Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    They're building a superfab on site in leixlip at this very moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    I wasnt aware they went ahead - even more proof of their commitment here now.

    And if they're already building a fab, then there will be the knowledge and expertise here to build further if they go ahead with another fabrication campus in the near future. Thats a few more points for the Irish eurovision entry right there



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭mondeoman72


    They are very well placed to build and staff any new fabs. They are hoovering up all the college grads at present. Ads EVERYWHERE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    Motorway door to door as well. There's lots of advantages to the site



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Exactly - the Galway site would be near to 2 motorways, and 2 Universities* in Galway city. Could link up with Intel sites in Shannon and Cork.

    And near enough to trainline too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Knowledge and expertise to build further? The actual real technical stuff is all foreign labour brought in to the country anyways. Why build in Ireland when you have ASML on your doorstep in the Netherlands?

    A lot of rubbish spouted in this thread. People convincing themselves it's perfect and that it's happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Shannon is irrelevant to any development. They work on completely different products.

    Universities again doesn't make any difference. They already get as many level 7s for technician roles as they can possibly get. It's low skill work anyways.

    I think the IDA know they won't win it and are just putting Oranmore as their front runner to say they're trying to develop other cities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Lithography machines are ASML, however being 4 hours or 8 hours from ASML isnt much of a difference either way. Machines are ordered, shipped, installed and regularly maintained by ASML engineers who travel for days/weeks at a time.

    Far more important would be the price of land - which is much more expensive in or around the Netherlands. Gelsinger has actually admitted that Ireland is on a shortlist with other locations for the proposed new campus - it doesnt mean its guaranteed to happen but I'm sure theres more than a chance. the IDA hardly line up sites when they know theres no chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Any quotes from Gelsinger?

    There is no shortlist of locations made up. But it's obviously going to be Ireland or the western european countries, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, France. The main factor will be who gives them the subsidies they're looking for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/news/potential-for-new-intel-chip-facility-with-10000-jobs-would-be-huge-boost-to-galway-councillor-says-40844740.html

    Intel chief executive Pat Gelsinger last week visited Intel in Leixlip with Taoiseach Micheál Martin and told reporters an Irish site had made it onto the shortlist of the final ten locations being considered.



  • Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It must be some impressive achievement to run a factory for over 20 years and not build up their local technical knowledge?



  • Posts: 11,642 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A lot of rubbish spouted in this thread.

    Much of it from you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭gaming_needs90


    It has now gone from 216 to a 540 acre site. Who knows which is right, although it lines up with my map outline.

    As great as all of this is, I still probably see Intel choosing the likes of Germany as the site. From a political point of view, it makes much more sense. Although, this fab could be a Brexit consolation present for Ireland 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,011 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Wherever the new site is, it will be within ~2h drive of an existing semiconductor plant to get access to the supply chains of parts, cleanroom servicing firms, etc. This site does fall in to that requirement.

    When Intel set up here it was able to latch on to those supply chains for NEC in Ballivor, which is now gone.


    Intel are now hiring school leavers for technician roles, on the job training, rather than relying on graduates like they were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    You must think the boys from leixlip will be commuting down to Oranmore? lol

    And going by your logic...how ever will they run a fab in Germany if there's no fab there 2 hours away? What expertise is there at the minute?

    All the reasons given in this thread in favour of choosing Ireland are complete non issues to Intel. They don't care if there's a Uni 20 minutes away.

    The main factor will be how much tax payer money they give to them. That is it.



  • Posts: 11,642 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They've been hiring technicians with on the job training for over 2 decades. It's not a new development.



  • Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "That is it". If only it were so simple.

    Also Germany has been in the semiconductor business for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,011 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    There are GlobalFoundries and other semiconductor fabs in Germany.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    So why would Leixlip being in Ireland have such an advantage for Oranmore?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,011 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Its an advantage over countries that don't have existing plants, which is the majority of the EU.

    The IDAs other giant site they offer people is in Cork and likely too far to be of interest.



  • Posts: 11,642 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Let me think:

    • Nearby expertise
    • Established supply chains
    • Established contracts with vendors

    To name but a few.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Because its an existing fab that Intel own and run?



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