New Master Plan for Cherrywood

There's a big premium to be paid for South Dublin. I can see the attraction, nice amenities, good luas line, but you'll pay for it.

No-one can predict the future, never mind Irish prices but there's a good chance you're correct.

The bus service to town on the N11 is excellent. its about a 20 min walk to Killiney DART station too

well you have the new parks, new schools, new cycle lanes, running routes, health centre. next few years will see shops, restaurants, hotels, etc.

The bus service has improved though. We could all cite examples from 7 years ago of problems, but that's not relevant to the service now.

On the N11, there is the 145 every 10 minutes and the new route 155 every 20 minutes all day long, with the 84x at peak times.

The 7 now links Brides Glen LUAS with Dún Laoghaire every 30 mins, and the 111, which takes a longer route being a community bus route also links Brides Glen LUAS with Glenageary and Dún Laoghaire on an hourly service.

The 84 also serves the LUAS stop at Brides Glen and links it with Blackrock or Bray hourly (half-hourly at peak.)

The bus services will improve when the phases of the BusConnects network redesign in the area are implemented.

50 minutes is appaling stuff. I know a few people who live in Bray/Delgany/Greystones who commute to Gorey. 45 minutes. Quicker than Cherrywood to town.

The LUAS is a spectacular failure.

The luas is getting less and less dependable, they would want to sort themselves out before they have a sudden influx of people from new developments to cope with too. There's another one about to come online at Glencairn and another one again near Carrickmines (Although not sure of the timelines).

Again, it is a light rail system with multiple stops.

It isn't supposed to be high speed rail.

It does what it is designed to do, which is to transport large volumes of people.

Can you define "less dependable"? In what context?

Capacity is a different issue to the one that I was responding to - which was in relation to journey times.

I would point out that all of the Green Line trams have now been extended.

Again, I don't disagree, there are certainly going to be issues in the longer term which need to be dealt with, but that's a political hot potato further in, in terms of how Metrolink extends beyond Charlemont.

I think that what that poster and I are saying is that what you expect LUAS to be isn't realistic. It's a tram with multiple stops, and a route that takes a deviation to serve more developments around Ballyogan and Leopardstown.

It was never designed to be a high speed rail connection from Cherrywood to Dublin City Centre.

That would require a Metro line.

LUAS does what it was designed to do. Which is a tram line, with multiple frequent stops, to carry large volumes of people.

Well in the short to medium term, it won't be such an issue.

During Covid, all of the Green Line trams were extended and additional trams delivered. The timetable has not changed to reflect the extra trams yet.

The medium term strategy involves some more trams being delivered and frequency increased.

You still have a large number of trams starting at Sandyford towards the city, and that will continue to be the case, as otherwise the fears that you express would happen.

In terms of commuting, we really don't know what the impact of working from home is going to be, nor whether most of the new residents will be working in the city or not.

Long term, the issue is going to be how Metrolink is extended south from Charlemont - and that's a major discussion point.

Really?

LUAS has been rammed at any point in the past 18 months?

I fully appreciate that pre-Covid it was rammed.

But let's be honest, several things changed since in the last eighteen months:

1) Commuting numbers plummeted due to Covid and still have not recovered to anywhere near pre-Covid levels

2) The twenty six original trams all have been extended from 43m to 55m length.

3) Eight additional 55m trams, over the previous fleet of thirty three, have been delivered which will enable the operator to increase frequency in due course.

Give me 50 minutes on a track that's going to arrive +/- 5 mns every day over a 40 minute bus that depending on crashes/weather could be +/- 20 mns

Once people know how long it is, they can plan accordingly with podcasts etc.

That's what I suspected you meant.

I suspect that the first is down to the fact that there have been issues across all public transport operators with drivers/staff having to self-isolate due to close contacts testing positive for Covid, and in the last couple of months this happened at the same time as many staff were taking annual leave, which means cancellations/short workings as there were no replacement staff available.

It should diminish now as most of the summer annual leave has been taken.

The secind one is odd - it sounds like cancelled departures (presumably cancelled for the above reason) were not taken off the PIS, which is not good at all. That simply shouldn't happen.

"Next stop, Glencairn"

It gets bad long before that. First you have the occasional "where is my driver" delay at Sandyford and then the incredibly slow crawl up the ramp and over the bridge to get to Central Park. Then it whizzes along for a bit before reaching Glencairn and all is lost after that. To be fair, the last part (Ballyogan Wood to Cherrywood) was very rural and scenic the last time I was on it, kind of like a drive-through retreat.

I remember taking the Luas into town when it first started.

Was laughing to myself as it has to stop at traffic lights.

Why do they not have some override signal for the tram to go through?

Agree that the journey to/from Cherrywood makes it unattractive,

unless one is on the lump, getting apartment for 20 EUR per week.

Cherrywood is just over 2 miles from Bray. To put that in perspective, its also about 2 miles from Cornelscourt.

The idea of Cherrywood being in Dublin on the Stillorgan Dual carriageway and near town is admirable myth making.

The tram line south of Sandyford was not planned to be upgraded to Metro.

Again people here have to remember that it is a tram line (not a metro) that takes a major deviation westward from the original railway line to serve the offices at Central Park and all the housing developments around Ballyogan Road.

It is not grade segregated along Ballyogan Road and that inevitably means that is isn’t going to be high speed.

What it can do is move large numbers of people and that is what it was designed to do.

Whoever built Tullyvale back in the day. Although that was when Maynooth and Clane were considered acceptable commutes to the city. I guess we're back there again now.