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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    I do think stores are a bit heavier this year. I bought a few last week. 400 - 430 KGS and put them with what I reared last year and even the smallest lad I have is bigger them them..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭Dozer1


    Definitely around here its only been in the last few weeks the grass has really grown well Bass so I imagine people will hold the cattle they have to graze it. There's tonnes of silage about so what's the point selling and watching the grass go to shite or worse buy in dearer weanlings to eat it.

    As for Kilmallock given its location is is missing out on alot of stock, you're not seeing many coloured cattle heading there and for it size I think its underperforming big time. I know its mainly in the angus/HE/Fr game but for a mart its size it could do alot better.

    Maybe it more a GVM thing, it was sad to see in Abbeyfeale Saturday only a handful of cattle at the weanling show and sale, 20 years ago that sale of weanlings would be packed with top notch Continentals with everyone squashed in like sardines, last Saturday's sale was hardly even advertised



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    SMB and Ennis and to a lesser degree Newport are getting a lot of stock from Co Limerick especially since online sales took off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭DBK1


    Gortatlea probably has all them weanlings instead of Abbeyfeale now. They’d be taking a fair share of what should be Kilmallock stock as well because I have stock bought from Gortatlea that came from that area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,287 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    I have two show quality (imo) weanlings bulls that I am gonna bring Newport Friday evening. 9 and 10 months old and should tip 430kg hopefully. They were 360 weighted at home 9 weeks ago.

    SMB have weanling show sale Saturday but we have always got on well in Newport at the weanling sales.


    1150 each sound right?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    Quality animals there - fair play to you. Would be out of touch on weanling prices but would them quality not make north of €3kg?????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    They defo look like they type of animals that would make north of €3 / kgs. Good stock bet fair play to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,287 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    I hope ye are right. Their compadres made 1040/1060 last august and weighted 420. If they saw 3e a kilo that would be amazing. Won’t make it break or break us.


    Can the next fella turn a profit on them at that kinda buy price? Assuming they finish them before 16 months next spring what kind of weight would they be then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭morphy87


    You have some animals there, a credit to your self,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Factories don’t want under 16 month bulls much over 400kg. I think Some of them will just pay a flat price like the under 24month bulls if they go over 420kg.

    If the next lad will make a profit or not I don’t know. The likes of them could be fed on to bigger weights (>450kg) later in the spring but at what cost.

    Say €1250 purchase price and at least 1.5 tonne of meal to get them to 450kg dead is another €400. Today you will get €4.30 flat for a u grade bull so they’d come into €1900 after deductions. this leaves €250 to cover silage, straw, dose, slurry etc.

    More than likely a lad with a contract with the factory will buy him and get a better price than the rest of us would.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    What about heavy bulls bought in the spring

    Say 12/13 months @ 500+Kg that’s killed U16M, would they get to grass or be kept indoors?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,172 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Indoors, virtually impossible to finish those Continental bulls on grass Protein on grass too high. I have done it though. You need to get them on barley hulls and maize adlib. But you would not want them hitting 16 months until late June or July. Years back when 30 months was the age limit I used to buy light aged store bulls 330-380 kgs (16-20 months) in the autumn. Mostly FR and dairyX coloured ones. You finish them June/ July the following year off grass and 5-6 kgs of barley hulls maize mix. The Coloured ones would only eat 600 kgs, the FR about 200 kgs more. You get The base price at the time plus 10c/ kg for R grade bulls, O's would be 10c/kg behind theml

    Buls are a mugs game with present ration prices, weight and age limits. Finishing O grade bulls at U 24 months for 20-30c or maybe more below the base price is not possible. At present any finishing ration will be 280-300 euro. For bulls eating 1.5 ton that is 420-450 euro, add, mart fees, slaughter fees, transport dosing and vet, as well as mortality risk( much higher with bulls) and you are up above 500 euro. That is 1700 euro if that bulls makes 1200 euro. Add 200 euro for margin and fixed costs. If there is a 420 kg cutoff on the grid he needs 4.5/ kg to achieve that. However his FS will struggle at that weight, you have to draft him early maybe to be inside the weight limit.

    In a way a this shows the crazy economics of suckler's. And the IFA and the Rag want that these would be included in a grass fed designation

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    Why would bulls be priced thirty cents below the base ?

    Would you know what the price is these days for a bull just under thirty months ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,172 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It depends on demand. At present there is only 1.5k young bulls/ week, a few years ago the YB kill was 5k for part of the year. O bull price is 3.9-4/ kg. Factories do not want them unless they are short of product.

    Bulls over 24 months are discounted to stock bull price 3/ kg

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    It is no wonder that people are leaving farming !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,172 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It will be a long evening in Gortnalea, 350 cows, the heifers only started at 5.30, there is 140 lots, 140 lots of bullocks after them

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    They should be well on at 12 o'clock!!!! Those sort of sales aren't much fun for anyone involved but it's that time of year. Once you have good help and enough of it it's half the battle and on management's behalf when it comes to pay day it's important to remember all the long hour's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,287 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    They weighted savage. I weight both of them first week of July for beeps and they were 352 (blue) and 358 (LM).


    The blue in the mart weighted in at 500kg and made 1270.

    The LM in the mart weighted 485 and made 1300.


    Good weight gain for the 9 weeks. On meal but it’s a cheap ration and they were not getting a huge feed of it


    Content enough as prices don’t seem on fire in the mart and there is very little online bidding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    you had super stock ( a credit to you) you had a a red lm about 490 or 500 kgs that was a serious beast,


    I was after afew heifer i knew were going but they were a bit too well done for my liking (& my pocket!!)


    well done again,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    Prices seem good for plain wh stores easy making over E2/kg .I'd say Listowel and Castleisland prices were stronger this week also.Long may it continue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    Is it only the one auctioneer in Gortaclea?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Murang


    No someone different does the heifers I am not sure about the cows but the selling the bullocks does sell the cows but I would be surprised if he sells all of them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,172 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Two auctioneers, I think the split the day between them. They do an hour and a half and then change over. I have seen them selling different.lots. it ended about a half an hour ago

    At present they seem to getting heifers and bullocks above 400kgs,every little stuff below that.

    While they indicate where the bid comes from online or around the ring they do not harp on about it. Notice lately in the Castleisland mart the auctioneer word be telling bidders around the ring to bull on the online bidders.

    One other thing I noticed about online is that some marts are not leaving the videos of the previous auction up

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    As far as I know the cattle under 400kg are sold with the calves on a wednesday evening in gortaclea



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,172 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Looked back through the last sales on Wed evening and I did not see any really selling there. There was a few Fr, AA and HE bit these were under 12 months if age.

    I think a lot of these sub 400kg cattle (especially Fr) have gone to Castleisland or Listowel. They did not sell great in Gortnalea anyway

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭somewhat disappointed


    I have had some Angus and Hereford weanling bullocks for Summer grazing and I simply can't believe how poorly they have thrived during the grazing season. Could this because they were after easy calving bulls? They have been on good quality grass getting a shake of meal daily and were regularly dosed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,501 ✭✭✭kk.man


    The answer is probably and maybe the dam or a combination of both. Is there a Jersey influence?

    Were they coughing during this time?

    By providing meal with 'good quality' grass you might be doing yourself an injustice. Cattle with on grass start getting very lazy and don't graze as much. If you are doing summer grazing the margins are tight enough without giving them ration. I can understand the angus not the Herefords should be well able to get/have room to put on weight. The problem with Angus they can be 'butty' and remain butty all their lives.

      



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭somewhat disappointed


    These cattle were born Feb 2020 and are short of 450 kg liveweight.



  • Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sold fr blks yesterday in bandon 425kg 750 and 440kg 790. Not great but they were very light boned cattle.

    Sold 3 awful aa blks 404kg 850 an absolute plaster as theyll never make cattle. They went for export.

    Thing is a bit hotter than its been the last 4 weeks anyway



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,172 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Did you buy them as calves. What way we're they treated over the winter if you had them as calves. If you bout them last autumn or spring what was there weight

    Slava Ukrainii



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