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What scares those who scream "conspiracy theorist"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,976 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I have no issues with the changes made to the charter.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes I know. But the fact you won't even explain what your beliefs are in a concise way is illustrative of the points I was making.

    Specifically, your beliefs about 9/11 (regardless of the details of what those beliefs are) would be considered to be invalid by other conspiracy theorists who hold beliefs that you would call invalid.

    You aren't able to explain what your beliefs actually are and you go to massive lengths to avoid ever actually outlining them. So how could anyone say your beliefs are valid? How can anyone tell the difference between valid and invalid conspiracies?

    And your reluctance to actually discuss your own beliefs and inability to explain them shows the problem with conspiracy theory thinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,781 ✭✭✭weisses


    So you find the charter presented in the form I posted acceptable ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,098 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You are trying to change the charter to one in which conspiracy theorists didn't have to support their conspiracy theories

    By a remarkable coincidence, you are a 9/11 truther who denies the facts surrounding 9/11 but don't have any alternative explanation or theory and refuse to support any

    People complain about being labelled "conspiracy theorists", then on the other hand they demand special conditions to exclude them from normal debate and discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,976 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I'm quite happy with the current forum charter. It seems reasonable to me. You just don't want people asking questions about your posts.

    This forum is not for satire.

    Yes, we ironically mention lizard-men a lot in here, but this forum is for genuine discussion on topics of merit. Balance levity with substance dammit.

    This is not a youtube dump.

    Discussions that surround a specific piece of media (Eg. Loose Change, a popular 9/11 conspiracy film) belong in their own threads.[/I]

    Do not just plagiarize or regurgitate source material.

    This is NOT a facebook wall. Videos/media/links you do include in your arguments need to be supported with your own words, enough that a reader should be able to follow the conversation without viewing the media - users may be on dial-up, behind firewalls, etc. that restrict their access to streaming content.

    Address the topic, not the poster.

    Back and forth between a handful of posters that goes on for pages and ages is the precursor to a thread falling off the rails. See the pyramid chart below for what is considered acceptable guidelines.

    Respect the opinions of others.

    Trying to spend 100 odd posts convincing 1 or 2 specific users that your views are more valid than theirs is what causes the most issues. You have to accept that not all people are willing to alter their beliefs to suit you - and they have the freedom to hold those beliefs (short of soapboxing). Remember: many users read, but do not post, and may be interested in reading your opinions - so the opinion of 2 or 3 other prolific posters is rarely meaningful, and should neither be seen as a victory or a threat.

    No Bigotry

    Meaning: no Antisemitism, Islamophobia, etc. - yes, while "The Jews" are the focus of many outlandish CTs, there are other places you can go elsewhere online to bemoan the ruling of the world by Jews or something. It doesn't further discussion in any meaningful way, and is just an outlet to hate on, or "Other," those of a different world view.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,781 ✭✭✭weisses


    There are so many things I belief are valid opinions regarding 9/11

    I think on some level it was allowed to happen

    I belief the NIST wtc7 collapse hypothesis does not allow for freefall to occur hence their conclusions based on that collapse model are wrong.. But all these and many more things I believe are discussed at length in the relevant forums


    What is your unhealthy obsession with me repeating them over and over ... We discussed this at length over the years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,098 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    On the one hand your believe your opinions are valid but on the other your opinions are special and require special rules.



  • Posts: 7,714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is actually fairly sinister tbh and should be taken up in the feedback forum I reckon..

    (Unless it was already..)


    That it was overheal that did it is just typical too, as he engages in very similar tactics to King Mob over in the CA forum..



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But this doesn't really answer my point.

    I'm asking you how you tell the difference between what is valid and what isn't.

    You are now claiming that you just disagree with the NIST's report. I take it that means you agree that it's not possible that the building was demolished then.


    So if a conspiracy theorist suggested that the building was demolished secretly, in your opinion, is this a valid conspiracy theory or an invalid one?

    What if they claimed that it was demolished by secret silent explosives? Valid or invalid?

    What if they claimed that it was demolished by 3 people? Valid or invalid.


    Again, not discussing the particulars of these theories, I'm asking if you view them as valid or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,739 ✭✭✭storker


    Well I was hoping to be able to do a party trick involving hanging cutlery from my magnetic upper arm so I'm feeling very let down I can tell you.



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  • Posts: 7,714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Weird that moderna was taken off the market in Japan for having traces of metal in it though..



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Again, you're not making a very good case for the integrity of you lot when you misrepresent things.

    Japan did not take moderna off the market. It recalled a few batches.

    Why did you claim that it was taken off the market when this is debunked by 5 seconds on google?

    Did you not know what you were saying was false? Or did you know and you were lying?



  • Posts: 7,714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I saw the minister saying they were going to stop using it..

    That article doesn't say they're going to keep using other batches..those batches were 1.6 million doses..And different from the other contaminated batches..



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Where did you see the minister say this? What minister?

    The government has signed contracts to receive an additional 50 million doses of Moderna's vaccine as well as 150 million doses from Novavax Inc. and is discussing an additional 120 million doses with Pfizer. The vaccine doses will be used if the government decides to administer booster shots.

    Again. Why did you claim that the vaccine was going to be taken off the market?

    Did you not check if this was true before posting it? Did you know it was not true?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Nope, did you read the article? Japan ordered 1.6 million doses. they have already administered 500,000 of them.

    The three people who died had not been given the contaminated batch.

    A contaminated batch has been withdrawn and so were some other batches produced around the same time, but haven't been found to be contaminated.

    The deaths of the three people has not been linked to the vaccine and they haven't said what the cause was.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Great. Very mature for you to actually cop to a mistake. Very refreshing too.

    Could you still answer the question though. Did you post that claim without actually check if it was true?

    You claimed to "see the minister saying they were going to stop using it" Why did you claim this? Did you just make it up on the spot?


    Do you see how this kind of thing is a bit illustrative of what conspiracy theorists do and why it's a problem?



  • Posts: 7,714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why bother..It's not like it will stop you asking questioons..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    But asking why and fact checking what you post before you post it is very important.

    The question is did you actually check your sources or did you just glance at something and post it as fact is important.

    People don't check things these days, they see something that sounds scary and run with it, hence all fake news crap we get via social media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,781 ✭✭✭weisses


    Stop talking out of your backside .... The charter was fine the way it was. I was only proposing to revert it back In the old charter you also had to provide supporting evidence .... Evidence that didnt suit the likes of you and the mod in question ..That why it was changed.

    The fact you were allowed to post a thread where you wanted to establish some ground rules of your own says it all


    Now get of your high horse and stop making stuff up



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Well could you possibly have read something, missed part of the statement, posted before completely checking the facts in a bit of a rush?


    Maybe a bit like a news reporter on live TV might do in a rapidly evolving news story, who reads a partial update on something happening, misses a critical part of the line of text, reports it live on the telly and then it turns out they had got it wrong and the thing they said had happened haddn't actually happened.

    Could that possibly be what you just did?


    Or would an alternative view be that you personally have been receiving top level diplomatic notifications from the Japanese Government on their vaccine program?



  • Posts: 7,714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can you post this in feedback or contact admins about it or something?

    The forum has been destroyed the last couple of years..

    It's almost nasty these days..An air of bullying almost..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,498 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Genuine question, where did you first see the story about Moderna batch being recalled?

    Was it on an proper, fact checked website from a reputable news source?

    Or was it from social media?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,781 ✭✭✭weisses


    When will you reflect on the rubbish you are spouting here ?



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lol Yea. People should stop asking questions. That sounds right for a conspiracy theorist.


    So since you're again avoiding questions when caught out, we have a perfect self contained example of the issues with conspiracy theorists.

    You made a claim that was false. Most likely because you half remembered something, and you did nothing to verify if it was true or not.

    Then when challenged on it, you still didn't do any checking, you doubled down on the untruth. You even seemed to pluck a new factoid out of the air. You claimed to have heard something from a minister. This could be something you half remembered, it could be something you just made up on the spot. I can't tell.

    Then after it was made abundantly clear that your claim was false you admittedly did the mature thing and cop to it. But now, you're returning to the same dishonest tactics of ignoring and avoiding things that make you doubt your beliefs.


    This exact thing seems to be happening again and again on different scales for conspiracy theorists.

    Thank you for illustrating the points being made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    Bullying? 😂😂

    Asking someone to explain why they believe what they do is bullying now? Amazing



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    When you guys are actually able to address my points without running away and whinging.

    Why would I change my position because dishonest people keep being dishonest and ignoring difficult questions.


    Are you going to go back and address the last batch of very short questions I asked you?



  • Posts: 7,714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well, unlike yourself I don't have all day and a filofax of articles ready for arguing about conspiracy theories online..



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's almost like conspiracy theorists are embarrassed by the reasons they believe what they believe. Almost as if it's a shameful secret they don't want to discuss...



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  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lol. I went to google. I typed "Japan moderna vaccine" and got the articles is less than 5 seconds.

    Why did you not do that before making your claims?



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