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What's the Fascination with Mafia/Gangster Movies?

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    #62
    ohnonotgmail
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117862504#Comment_117862504

    The bond films have a 15 age rating at worse. those gangster movies you refer to are 18 rated. that is the difference.



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    #63
    RandomViewer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117791288#Comment_117791288

    Think there is a C4 film

    Comfort and Joy



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    #64
    AllForIt
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    I'm trying to get into The Sopranos, but the first episode is just as I expected. All this hard man violent attitude behaving as if there are no consequences in real life for behaving such. Everyone says it's excellent as a drama series but a month has passed since I watched E1 and I'm not sure if I'll ever get around to E2.



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    #65
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870534#Comment_117870534

    Isn't episode one about Tony having panic attacks and him seeing a psychiatrist? Hardly as simply as some violent men acting as if there are no consequences to behaving like that. He's having panic attacks about it and dealing with societal attitudes about men being weak if they seek help, and what that means when he is the boss.



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    #66
    StupidLikeAFox
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870674#Comment_117870674

    Are you not mixing it up with Analyse This?



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    #67
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870534#Comment_117870534

    Well, there are 6 seasons.

    There's also the character arc of other gangsters like Christopher and Paulie and Bobbie. Tony eventually kills Christopher after Christopher crashes the SUV they are in. Patience is your just reward. Rome was not built in a day (Tony Christopher and Paulie also visit Italy during the epsidoes pretty cool)



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    #68
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870679#Comment_117870679

    No?

    If someone just sees men being violent without consequence, then the show isn't for them. It is explicit in showing the opposite.



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    #69
    Zak Flaps
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870534#Comment_117870534

    You watched one episode a month ago. That's not trying to get into the Sopranos.

    Does this one post of yours sum you up pretty well? Or would I get a better idea about you from reading all your posts?



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    #70
    fryup
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    thanks for the spoiler xieann😏



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    #71
    KaneToad
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    I enjoy watching a well made mafia/gangster movie, Goodfellas/Godfather etc...as it's an insight into a world that is so far removed from mine.

    I didn't watch Love Hate, I wouldn't get any entertainment from that as it is a world that isn't far removed from mine.



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    #72
    Brid Hegarty
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870534#Comment_117870534

    I can't think of any series I liked, that I didn't like the Pilot of. Chances are that it's just not for you. Anyone who tells you that you can't judge it by just that episode probably loved that exact same episode themselves! It's earlier seasons are known for being better so if you're not liking season one, then it can't be for you.

    I remember having a similar experience with Breaking Bad after I watched the first episode. The person who recommended it said "oh it gets moving after season one". Then I watched season two. It always felt like I'd only watched one episode after I'd watch, say, 5 of them. Then they said "oh it gets going after season two". I watched season 3... nothing changed. Now it wasn't all that bad; otherwise I would've stopped watching.

    I'd be very careful saying that about the Sopranos! It's just something you don't say.



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    #73
    moycullen14
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    For anyone who has worked in an office, this scene from the sopranos is why you want to be Tony!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkxmstBuB24&ab_channel=Mozza85




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    #74
    BalcombeSt4
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870534#Comment_117870534

    No Consequences???? Are you sure you were watching the right show?

    There is absolutely consequences for people in the Sopranos, for people who choose violence or people who indirectly benefit from violence. In the first episode Tony is having panic attacks & passing out due to the pressure of the violent life he is living. In a brilliant scene Carmela goes to see a Jewish psychiatrist who basically tells her off for being such a hypocrite, for feeling guilty about were her husbands money comes from, but yet she doesn't want to give up the nice material lifestyle she is able to live thanks to the dirty money she receives and the only way she will find solace is by leaving her gangster husband.

    By the end of the show everybody who benefits from violence is either dead, in jail or completely broken as a human being, just like Goodfellas or Casino there are no happy endings for corrupted people



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    #75
    Brid Hegarty
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117791460#Comment_117791460

    Well what it does do is it allows you to examine you're own life. Goodfellas is far removed from real life and therefore you don't really learn anything from it.



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    #76
    Ash.J.Williams
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884615#Comment_117884615

    i was talking more about budget and production



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    #77
    Brid Hegarty
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117885090#Comment_117885090

    I was I supposed to know. Are movies supposed to being awarded oscars based on their budgets?



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    #78
    Ash.J.Williams
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117885269#Comment_117885269

    i'd say no, but if you look at the winners it's probably yes, but that wasn't my point.



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    #79
    Fandymo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884615#Comment_117884615

    Goodfellas literally was real life to Henry Hill. Do you think the FBI put him into Witness Protection for the craic? Do you really only watch stuff that you learn things from? No want to escape the humdrum of life for 90 to 120 minutes??



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    #80
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    Gladiator is more removed from real life. The Green Mile is more removed. Rainman.

    In Bruges. Have you killed a kid by mistake in the middle of a hit?

    Fight Club. Are you Jack's smirking revenge?

    Goodfellas is a true story of a Hero's Journey. He does not have to be a morally good person to be a hero in his own world and his own story. His rise and fall mean the same to me as a character's in some high fantasy that is by definition, completely removed from reality.


    OP, your preference is for movies that are not about gangsters. It is unnecessary to try and turn that into an opinion about gangster movies. It's ok to say "I don't like them. I just can't root for a bad guy." instead of questioning everyone else's ability to do so and then calling them easily manipulated etc.



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    #81
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    Not sure what you're getting at in your op brid? Is it the moral conundrum? Because you mentioned matchstick men which is about conmen?? And then Office space???Obviously these are all completely different films? Or was it the violence in the gangsta films that bothered you? Or are you just comparing b movies to well known critically acclaimed movies for the laugh?

    Anyhow....if it's the morality of the gansta movies and what posters have said..perhaps you'd prefer more fitting films that also share similar emotions, but somewhat justified violence as an escapism like Django Unchained...great film...I'm sure you'd like it Brid...it very relatable...here's a great snippet...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5rtDd9z3wMI




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    #82
    Brid Hegarty
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117913372#Comment_117913372

    @Olivia2 Or are you just comparing b movies to well known critically acclaimed movies for the laugh?

    Or maybe movies about certain themes are more likely to end up being considered critically acclaimed!?

    Anyhow....if it's the morality of the gansta movies and what posters have said..perhaps you'd prefer more fitting films that also share similar emotions, but somewhat justified violence as an escapism like Django Unchained...great film...I'm sure you'd like it Brid...it very relatable...here's a great snippet...

    I know what you're thinking, but no. I saw that movie... some girl in a hostel almost insisted in putting it on my laptop from her USB. Anyway, the way that bounty hunter guy (at the start) arrived into the village trying to confuse the sheriff made him seem like a pure attention seeker. He could have handled it differently. And I hate any movie that shows blood spatter like that. It isn't realistic and is distasteful.

    Post edited by Brid Hegarty on


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    #83
    Wanderer78
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    cause theyre brilliant, seriously fcuked up people are damn interesting



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    #84
    Brid Hegarty
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    That Kin program is testimony to this. I only saw about 5 minutes of it but it was just like Love / Hate in the sense that it was over doing the shots of the sky and streets. I can only assume there were a lot of vibrating phones too! Am I right??!!



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    #85
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    Showing all the 'Karens'...how it's done 😂🤣😂

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fAImYGpKO2Q




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    #86
    Brid Hegarty
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117791406#Comment_117791406

    But why power by oppression? as distinct from other more 'normal' types of power? "We might learn something from how they command respect". Really? It's fear easy to make someone respect you when you're holding a gun in your hand. That's fear, not respect... there's a difference. These films can't teach us how to be more powerful ourselves unless we plan on going down the Hutch/Kinihan route. How old are you by the way?



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    #87
    Sugar_Rush
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058205324/whats-the-fascination-with-mafia-gangster-movies

    Bullying and scam artistry.

    The two founding concepts of gangster culture.

    I guess there's a fascination 'cause of that.

    In physics we trust....



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    #88
    Brid Hegarty
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119193336#Comment_119193336

    You mean they're the two founding concepts of it in your opinion?

    Couldn't I just as easily say that "narcissism and psychopathy" are the two founding concepts of gangster culture? Or "greed and control". Or "lack of education and bad parenting"? I could go on. What's so special about your choice of words that makes it hit the nail better on the head?



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    #89
    Strumms
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    Some people are fascinated / interested in / with romantic comedy, dark comedy, foreign language, martial arts, drama, horror, mafia / gangster, westerns … some people have a favourite genre. A particular type of storytelling resonates.

    a cousin of mine in his early mid teens was fascinated with Bruce Lee and Star Wars … never had the minutest interest myself… don’t have to / want to understand it.

    some people love sci-Fi… id rather watch a Coen Brothers or Jim Jarmusch film….

    but I do love the stories, characters and complexities of storylines and storytelling in The Sopranos….films… A Prophet, Once Upon A Time In America, Casino…

    good vs evil, life vs death, love vs hate….

    a paradigm of everyday struggles just with bigger consequences, entertaining consequences. Very violent consequences.



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    #90
    Sugar_Rush
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119194320#Comment_119194320

    What you've listed are like, superficial characterizations.

    You can't "narcissism" someone, or "greed" someone, or "bad parent" someone, etc.

    You can bully and scam them.

    Bullying and scam artistry are the behaviorisms that actually allow gangster culture to function.

    Post edited by Sugar_Rush on

    In physics we trust....



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    #91
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    Same reason players buy GTA V , Scarface back in the day ( Scarface 2 was cancelled), Max Payne etcetera



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