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Mayo GAA Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Fiyatoe


    Take the red and green shades off , come on let’s be realistic


    keegan should have been gone to a black card for completely hauling down a man, Joe mcquillan was not good to Tyrone at all on a lot of occasions.


    even if kilpatrick was sent off the game was over at that stage, we could have got 2 sent off and still won. It never looked in doubt past 63/64 mins



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Keegan didnt haul anyone down, he cynically prevented the guy from going forward. A foul, a yellow but no more. Same thing tyrone were doing. He got that yellow by the way...

    ohora should have gone alright, but then mccurry is a bigger loss than ohora. His goal also came in the subsequent 10 minutes...

    Again i state that im not blaming the ref for losing, im just challenging this narrative that mcquillan done a lot for mayo in the game. Honestly, watch it back, it isnt the case.

    As a side note. How a guy can deliberately pick the ball off the ground to prevent a certain goal and not face a sanction beyond a foul shows there is a bigger issue with the rules. I accept that the rules were applied correctly, but bigger picture, that is the sort of thing that black cards should be picking up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭MfMan


    No, but he was lucky that the Mayo goalie's brain shut down. A proper goalie would have either cleaned him out or saved a tame enough parry on the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 570 ✭✭✭Avon8


    In a previous post you say a Tyrone man shouldve been carded for the O'Hora foul, whereas here you're admitting that he shouldve been off the pitch at the time. Your other point, about someone intentionally stopping a goal by picking the ball off the ground, again that shouldn't have happened at all because it was a square ball due to DOC that wasn't given. It's a set play from a free so he can't enter until after the ball arrives into the square

    That's the main two moments of the game from a referee pov, and both wrongly went mayo's way. Obviously you can dispute everything, that's the nature of a subjective refereeing game like Gaelic football. Outside of those incidents though he seemed to do ok



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭Exiled1


    Outside view.... I have watched Mayo football back as far as the seventies. Even then there were two characteristics of the county team (every one of them) that were problematic. First they had too many 'soft ' players. To win anything you need one gouger on every line. Second they preferred to play around with the ball in an era of 'kick the f**king thing'.

    Mayo teams of recent years singularly fail to understand the game is 'foot'ball, ie. you need to have kicking skills off both feet and use those skills. It was sadly illustrated in the missed chance by AOS. Sadly they prefer to attempt to handpass the ball through the lines, suicidal against most rugged defenders.

    I have seen very little of Mayo club football but I guess it is soft as the county team usually has far too few genuinely physical players. The substitution of O'Hora must rank as one of the most godawful decisions in the past dozen All Ireland finals by any management team!!!

    Finally...... the great Lee Keegan. What a warrior and a man who would be comfortable on any team of footballers in any era. He would have fitted nicely into the gang of toughs Offaly had in the early seventies or the flying defenders of Kerry in the seventies/eighties or any team of the noughties.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,462 ✭✭✭✭km79


    its going to be a long long long week :(



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Anyone who didn't perform or "show up" on Saturday needs to be cut from the panel.

    Its largely the same people who perform in finals for us, mostly defenders and then you have the same players who are invisible come AI final day.

    Time to cut the AI final day passengers as they never perform on the big day. Funnily enough they always show up in the early rounds in Connacht but nowhere to be found on AI final day.

    And its not just the manager who has favourites. If you mention dropping certain players a lot of fans say, can't drop him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    And Horans time is up. If he managed Mayo to another 10 AI finals he'd be given a tactical schooling in each of them. Time to accept he can only bring Mayo so far but will never get them over the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    right so I’ve been brooding over and Pondering the match since the final whistle went.

    huh I guess the cabin fever got me good

    and Had a good few pints to drown the sorrow with a buddy all day yesterday going through the final and what went wrong.

    feeling it now

    Kildare Gael here - but I’m pure devastated for yeee.

    I really thought Saturday was Mayo’s day. After all the hurt and pain over the years.

    take a few steps back and re assess then we go again. No other option. Mayo Abuuuuuuuu



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    "Anyone who didn't perform or "show up" on Saturday needs to be cut from the panel."

    Give over, will you.

    Should Matthew Ruane be dispensed with for one bad game ?

    Should Conor Loftus be thrown on the trash pile ?

    Sure get rid of Paddy Durcan too, and that O' Hora fella.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    You are ignoring the mccurry black card though, who went on to score a goal inside the 10 minute timeframe, that ended the game...

    I get what you say re the penalty, but Mayo didnt actually score from the penalty so it had no bearing on the result...

    I think the consistent deliberate fouling to prevent a goal chance not being addressed was a big factor also. It is supposed to be a card, and tyrone could have had 3 or 4 of them. That, combined with the pole axe of ohora getting no card and tyrone could have been down a man or even 2, be it red or black, down the home straight, whicu puts a different complexion on things.

    Again I reitierate, Im not blaming the ref, im just challenging this narrative that mayo got all the breaks from the ref. It is just a contrived narrative from people who want to stick the boot in.

    After watching it back, tyrone were actually very good on the day and didnt show an ounce of nerves. Some going. All credit to them. Ironically, our best goal chance from play was the loftus one, and it was still cleared off the line rather than missed, but it is the oshea miss people are hung up on, which was actually a tougher finish to execute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭Squatman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭Squatman


    my poorly structured surmise of the game

    Tommy Conroy, ROD, POH, Lee, oisin played characteristically well.

    Aiden slowed down play when he got the ball and allowed Tyrone to regroup, killing mayos momentum.

    All players over-carried and brought the ball into tackles

    Mayo allowed Tyrone to jaunt up the field un-obstructed, where tyrone challenged mayo relentlessly.

    I dont think anyone should have been black carded, yes you could say to the letter of the law that bla bla bla, but i dont think the game had that overly malicious feel to it, and ref was right to let it flow.

    Conor Loftus was very poor, and made poor decisions, and should have been off after half time. Aiden should have been removed after halft time. POH should not have been removed, with the disclaimer * i think Horan took him off as he had come into the refs crosshairs for what could have been deemed a black card*

    Hennelly, probably could have done more to save one of the goals, but he did do more right that wrong in the game.

    Kevin McLaughlin was a little timid and unwilling to take shots on. Neither bad nor good

    Jordan Flynn should have replaced Aiden, and not POH. Michael Plunkett should have been off first. Jordan didn't have a great game, but good to see him lose and not strangle someone. - shows good potential :)

    Aidan Orme, dont recall him touching the ball, i presume he came on for Bryan Walsh. This sub should have happened earlier. in fact, if COC was allowed on with crutches might have had a better contribution 🤣.

    Darren Coen, dont remember seeing him up to much

    Penalty miss was a terrible result. i dont care if a penalty is saved, but it should never be wide of the target. From watching world cup this year, it should have been clear not to hesitate in teh run up to the ball. never ends well.

    its telling that we only have tommy capable of scoring mroe than 1 from play. Really need a forwards coach if we dont already have one, and it would be advisable for the guys to keep practicing during the winter months. Seems a lack of confidence in their own ability, which will only develop with practice.

    Ryan O'Donoghue 0-8 (0-7f), Tommy Conroy 0-2, Patrick Durcan 0-1, Rob Hennelly 0-1 (0-1f), Stephen Coen 0-1, Lee Keegan 0-1, Kevin McLoughlin 0-1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 570 ✭✭✭Avon8


    What minute was this McCurry haul down on Keegan you're mentioning? Can't remember it so il go back and take a look



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭nialler1978


    That super witty comment has already been made. Any attempt at discussion to try and argue your point? Or you just don’t have one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Joe Don Dante


    has anyone checked in with David Brady since Saturday morning or is he still on another planet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    These are the days that I find the hardest, the ones straight after the final.

    I live outside the county, and in the build up I have thoughts of heading home to Mayo after the game, sampling the atmosphere, enjoying the huge buzz of what could be once in a generation event.

    I was just about to turn 18 in 1989 and remember that Monday night homecoming well, now I'm almost 50 and I just want one more great night out in town, meeting old friends, talking football, having fantasizes about meeting and shifting girls that you wanted to shift in 1989 but were never able to, and being almost 18 again.

    It's a big chunk of escapism.

    But it never happens.

    And the worst part is the morning after the game, when it's 7am and I'm looking in the bathroom mirror brushing my teeth with noting to look forward only getting kids up for school, making lunches, going to work and all the usual mundane hum drum of autumn life, the weather turning, the days getting short, and long long winter ahead.

    It's feckin awful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭ultrapercy


    Stating that Donal Vaughan is an all time great is one of the daftest things Ive ever heard. Not even Donal Vaughan thinks that. Lee Keegan is Mayos best ever plalyer by a considerable distance. End of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭HBC08


    I can deal with complete and utter sh1tetalk from posters on the main thread who haven't a notion about Mayo football......it annoys me when it's coming from the odd eejit of our own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    What actually is the story with Horan's tenure by the way ?

    He has been there 3 season since his return

    Was he on a 3 year term ?

    Will there be people looking for his head ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,405 ✭✭✭naughto


    Hes in 2 of a 3yr term



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321



    FFS...do you seriously think the guy has a tactical masterclass in him in an AI final?

    He's just been undone by two NOVICES at senior managerment level.

    How many more sh*tshow finals are you willing to watch from Mayo?

    10 more?

    People were saying during Horans first tenure he was tactically naive. Against Donegal 2012, Dublin 2013, Kerry 2014. Second tenure hasn't been much better.

    We carried about 5 players for most of the final who were left on for most of the game.

    We don't have a midfield.

    I could outline several more issues but I can tell I'm wasting my time with you.

    Clearly you think Horan is God...those who actually understand football know he is not good enough to get Mayo over the line. That has been made clear on numerous occassions.

    His time with Mayo football should be done. Time to move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,893 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    This was his third year of a four-year tenure AFAIK.

    Pretty demanding of the County Board to cut his term short after reaching two successive AIFs...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321



    If you want Mayo to reach another AI final next year and be embarrassed again, Horan is your man.

    If you want something else, then he isn't. Unfortunately some people are content for Mayo to reach and be beaten in finals year in year out because they know no better.

    Our performance on Saturday was poor, embarrassingly poor. There is no evidence to point to the fact there is an AI in this manager or the team as it stands.

    A mass clearout is required. Can't keep carrying 4 or 5 passengers into a final and hope to win. It won't happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,662 ✭✭✭Blackjack



    Certainly looks like there are people looking for his head. Not sure what the alternative is, or who would be available and willing to take it on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    I probably should have clarified - anyone with a history of not performing in AI finals should be cut from the panel. We all know who these players are, you could name a few yourself.

    Paddy Durcan is a proven performer on the biggest stage, he's always up for the battle, as are nearly all our defenders. There isn't one of our defenders Durcan included I would drop as they are all warriors.

    That aside, we had at least 4 luxury players on the field on Saturday, what John O'Mahoney would call "Fancy Dans". They get on the ball a lot, no end product, can't score, can't tackle, no pace or stamina. You can carry 1 luxury player into a final at most, you can't carry 4.

    This is basic stuff.

    And the buck ALWAYS stops at the manager and selectors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,893 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I'm looking in the bathroom mirror brushing my teeth with noting to look forward only getting kids up for school, making lunches, going to work and all the usual mundane hum drum of autumn life

    Untitled Image

    eh Father Tod😜



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    I can only think of a single player right now that fits your "They get on the ball a lot, no end product, can't score, can't tackle, no pace or stamina."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭lillielad


    The talk of getting rid of Horan is madness, I don't think anyone after Cillian got inured thought Mayo were going to get to an All Ireland final, the majority were happy with Connaught. Obviously, after beating the Dubs we all dared to dream and it's devastating to lose the final after the chances that presented themselves. In all it has been a very successful year. There's a quality young team there and with the likes of Cillian to come back and the likes of Hession, Mullen, Plunkett, Ruane, Tommy, ROD and Eoghan McClaughlin all gaining more experience and hopefully becoming better players there is going to be more chances moving forward. Hopefully, Keegan gives it another go, the lad is immense.

    Back to my first point, I don't think there is a better manager out there at bringing on young players I would do all I could to keep him. Has Mayo ever been as good consistently in modern history, I genuinely don't think so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭joe35


    Just observing here and thought I'd post this comment.


    In the lions series when Gatlan dropped O'Driscoll I thought it was a master stroke. It took all the pressure off the team and put it onto the management. He didn't even put O'Driscoll on the bench.


    If Horan had to drop O'Shea I think it may have taken a lot of pressure from the players on the field.


    They may have felt 'feck this' we have to give it everything or I'm off.


    I think that's where Horan wasn't brave enough. Make the tough decision and take the pressure off the team.


    Enjoyed the game all the same, just feel mayo need to pull a rabbit out of the hat, WHEN, they get to another final and do something unexpected.



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