New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

Rawr · 10-09-2021 09:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117871236#Comment_117871236

The way things are going, in the few months that title will need to be:

Defunct Alternative News Channel "GB News" formerly chaired by Andrew Neil

ancapailldorcha · 10-09-2021 09:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870947#Comment_117870947

It's the sort of crybullying narrative that characterises modern conservatism perfectly. Have all the power, cater to your base's desperate need for cruelty and validation, couch your arguments in the most extreme rhetoric possible but act like the biggest victim as often as possible.

And Roy Chubby Brown? I don't even know who this is beyond being a comedian, allegedly. Someone once told me a joke from him once and I just shrugged. I just found it tiresomely misogynistic and I was 18 at the time. I wonder where this trend of digging up irrelevant nobodies from yesteryear has come from. Are the 10 people who watch GB News already fed up with Farage, Dewbs & co?

breezy1985 · 10-09-2021 09:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117871393#Comment_117871393

It reminds me of an episode of the Simpsons where a politician just gives up on issues and talks to Grandpa and the old folks about Matlock.

It's just comfort food for old people who are confused by the modern world

Tony EH · 10-09-2021 10:20AM

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No. Davidson's a different kettle of fish altogether.

pixelburp · 10-09-2021 11:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117871393#Comment_117871393

It's probably just another, more outsized variant of that malaise and confusion wrought by simply growing old. Perhaps made worse by the fact some icons from one's past have become more than just irrelevant - but toxic as well. And so rather than consider that maybe, just maybe, those old jokes punching down at gays and black people belong in the past; but instead resist the tide, and presume the youth are too sensitive, that it's "cancel culture" at fault. One's own youth & nostalgia under attack, and by extension - the self.

Snake Plisken · 11-09-2021 08:22PM

Powerful well thought out piece from Neil Oliver on how our world has changed since 9/11

https://youtu.be/VIROk-Ey-oc

joe40 · 11-09-2021 11:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117878445#Comment_117878445

Well now I know GB news really is complete trash. Nothing better than Infowars.

breezy1985 · 12-09-2021 12:35AM

My sweet god what a load of crap. That's the first time I actually approached a GBnews segment with a bit of hope as I thought Oliver was just that nice guy who talks about vikings and Robert Bruce and stuff and is also qualified to talk about historical events

But no how quickly 9/11 was spun to blame cancel culture for the Taliban victory and within 3 minutes has ditched talking about 9/11 despite it being a 9/11 segment and rants instead about lockdown (which is also to blame for the Taliban)

Tony EH · 12-09-2021 04:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117878445#Comment_117878445

Turns into a load of old bollocks after 3 minutes.

The Taliban are back in power because Trump put them there after negotiating a deal with them for that very purpose. It had fuck all to do with people worrying about "pronouns" or the "colour of their skin", nor has it anything to do with Covid restrictions or any other shite like that.

That screed was neither "powerful" nor "well thought out", but merely a jumbled collection of unrelated sentences that, in the end, sounded pretty meaningless.

Tell me how · 12-09-2021 05:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117878445#Comment_117878445

Did you agree with his view that the words 'Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses' as inscribed in the Statue of Liberty epitomize the ideals of the most aspirational ethos of any country on the planet?

Or what did you think of him referring to WB Yeats as 'The English Poet'?

Do you think that governments should not take steps to protect their citizens from the words pandemic in their lifetime?

Do you have issues with having id cards to grant access to workplaces, schools, gyms, shopping center reward schemes etc etc, that have been in place for years? Do you have an issue with the imposition of laws forcing drivers to wear safety belts which are solely for the purpose of their own safety?

ancapailldorcha · 12-09-2021 08:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117879158#Comment_117879158

I got about a minute in. I thought he was just going to waffle but this is no surprise.

pixelburp · 12-09-2021 08:57AM

Shame on the user for sharing this disingenuous piece of propaganda, and call it "powerful". I've enjoyed Oliver's TV history, even have his books on my shelf but his attempt to hijack the solemnity of the 9/11 anniversary for some intellectual cheap-shots, playing the stations Greatest Hits, reveals a man incapable of parsing the present.

Trying to conflate "pronouns" with the resurgence of the Taliban, or CoVid conspiracy for the same, is shameless and shows the man perhaps needs to live in the modern day for a time. This station truly is pathetically one note: that on this occasion they still can't resist their obsession with "cancel culture". Oliver started out eloquently enough, you can tell he was once a TV historian, then dovetailed into turgid waffle.

The Taliban won cos the west took on social causes like trans rights. Or how we treated a pandemic seriously. I've heard it all. I guess for the intellectually stunted, it would be hard to contemplate having multiple ideological concepts at a time without deciding they were all connected.

ancapailldorcha · 12-09-2021 09:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117879493#Comment_117879493

To be honest, I didn't get far into it. I can't really comprehend the sort of cretin that looks at the 20-year anniversary of a terrorist attack and thinks how he can twist the narrative to pander to the trash that needs something like GB news by vindicating their victimhood.

Thankfully, I never got round to buying any of his books.

pixelburp · 12-09-2021 09:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117879513#Comment_117879513

He was a good TV historian in his defence. An evocative speaker who brought old places and people alive (his history of Scotland a good read in parallel. Making the days of rotating kingdoms accessible is an underappreciated art TBH).

But if he bothered to read modern history, he'd also have known the Taliban weren't responsible for 911, no matter how repugnant their beliefs are. His speech suggested otherwise. Even if we divorce the inappropriate and arrogant segue (it's like interrupting a funeral to make a speech about chem-trails), Oliver shows he is singularly unqualified to speak of recent events. Or contains the intellectual capacity to parse separate, unrelated causes.

As with all these "look at this amazing piece", it only reveals more of the poster than the content. An eagerness to affirm a bias than genuinely challenge a position with some credibility. There have been plenty of assessments of 911s legacy - not least from the pov of America's mistakes since - jamming in screeds about CoVid is hot garbage.

Penn · 12-09-2021 09:26AM

I think the fact he got through that piece without interviewing someone who was kinda famous in the 80's probably does make it the most powerful piece GB News has done so far.

ancapailldorcha · 12-09-2021 09:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117879537#Comment_117879537

Might see if I can get it second hand or at a charity shop.

It's just yet another perfect example of what GB News exists to do. Promote the culture war while pandering to people who are so stunted they can't have their views challenged.

The constant dumping of GB News material here is just lazy, to be honest. No effort, no work and no effort to engage just dumping a link and hope other people watch it. No thanks.

pixelburp · 12-09-2021 09:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117879590#Comment_117879590

The irony is, given how his speech started off trumpeting the importance of America as beacon of freedom (mythical it may be), Oliver completely skirted past the various actual, legislative erosions to democratic freedoms 911 ushered in; the increased militarisation of civil services like the police; and so on. So much to dissect there alone ... But no. Pronouns are the real evils to freedom since the towers fell. If it wasn't gross it'd be funny.

ancapailldorcha · 12-09-2021 11:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117879666#Comment_117879666

Precisely. GB News does not exist to question power, it exists to frustrate accountability. Blathering on about pronouns is supposed to distract us while we're extorted by the state and our freedoms are eroded, one example being the protest ban.

Mad_maxx · 12-09-2021 11:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117871393#Comment_117871393

I've seen about five minutes of GB news since it started and was never a fan of Andrew Neil but when you say " have all the power " while referring to " modern conservativism "

What area are you specifically referring to?

In terms of cultural power ( which has never been more important) , the progressive left is Golliath today ,it's amusing however how progressives like to view themselves as plucky outsider's in this regard.

ancapailldorcha · 12-09-2021 12:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117880045#Comment_117880045

Em, we've had a conservative government for over a decade now. Combine that with the fact that the media is overwhelmingly right wing here and you have pretty much as much control as someone can in a democracy.

Mad_maxx · 12-09-2021 12:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117880118#Comment_117880118

Which country are you referring to?

ancapailldorcha · 12-09-2021 12:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117880122#Comment_117880122

The UK. Obviously.

Mad_maxx · 12-09-2021 12:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117880125#Comment_117880125

This is an Irish site so it's a reasonable question.

I accept the media in the UK have a fair percentage of conservative thinkers, at least compared to this place.

breezy1985 · 12-09-2021 02:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117880597#Comment_117880597

What the likes of GBnews some of its guests and it's followers can't figure out is being tolerant of homosexuality isn't even progressive anymore

pixelburp · 12-09-2021 02:12PM

Notwithstanding how "cultural power" is an empty phrase up there with "silent majority" ... it a concept entirely defined by both the people, and the artists within: art - by its very nature - leans progressive because it demands an interrogation towards the status-quo (hence why there are so few right-wing artists); while the people dictate the direction of social models - assuming that country's political institutions allow that voice to shout loudest.

As seen here; where, when the people were asked the simple questions, abortion and same-sex marriage were OK'ed with gusto. No great silent majority shot down either, despite a very vocal cadre of worriers and cultural gate-keepers insisting otherwise. Ergo, the cultural power is ours. IF anything, the people saw it as a bit of legislative housekeeping to keep up with attitudes 10/20 years ahead of the law.

GB News modelled itself off of outrage from a few key concepts, ideas that the channel utterly over-estimated the resistance over. Neil Oliver trying to link 9/11 to trans rights is shameless and craven; while overall, it has trumpeted itself as a great challenger to some sinister cultural conspiracy, without thinking that the population are completely happy with this "conspiracy" - because at worst has no effect on their lives; and at best, improves the lives of their family, friends and neighbours.

The great, current danger to society are not pronouns. It's the Gig Economy. Let's hear GB News attack that for a change. I'll wait.

Tony EH · 12-09-2021 02:46PM

The great, current danger to society are not pronouns. It's the Gig Economy. Let's hear GB News attack that for a change. I'll wait.

You'll be left waiting. But then again, who actually is tackling that issue? The last person in the Dail that I can remember continually trying to drive that home was probably Joe Higgins. But he was never in a position to truly do anything other than highlight it. The Shinners might make mention of it here and there, but they don't do enough IMHO. The rest, including our current coalition and the woefully impotent Labour Party, appear to be broadly in favour of boom and bust, where the wealthy can weather the inevitable storms that succeed periods of unsustainable growth. Into the bargain, people's jobs are becoming more and more transitory and conditions that were fought for during the 20th Century are being "progressively" eroded, often by stealth. And nobody in actual power seems to give a damn.

ancapailldorcha · 12-09-2021 03:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117880160#Comment_117880160

It's nowhere near a fair percentage, it's almost completely owned by a few right wing old men.

Eric Cartman · 12-09-2021 05:44PM

I really enjoy Farage’s show. Talking pints is great. Im not a brexit fan so some of that gets a bit waffly but he’s spot on about immigration and many other issues

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-09-2021 06:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881693#Comment_117881693

No it's not, he mentions brexit every 2 minutes, it's all he has, he's a one trick pony. His "guests" (the ones he actually has on) are all has beens who wouldn't get a gig anywhere else, this shows how desperate GB "news" is to have someone....ANYONE come on and talk crap for 10 minutes.

Cody montana · 13-09-2021 04:41PM

It’s official: I have resigned as Chairman and Lead Presenter of GB News.

Andrew Neil.

New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

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